<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>These days, all you need do is to self identify as someone or something other than what you are, and instantaneously, that is what you become. So the left has decreed anyway. So if Bruce Jenner can declare himself to be a girl, than dammit, he is one. Same thing seems to hold true for becoming an expert drone operator.</div><div><br>On Dec 24, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Wayne Galligan via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>I would bet that a strong portion of the “DRONE – multi-rotor” flyers
couldn’t fly their machine in the manual mode, no self leveling or autonomous or
GPS mode.</div>
<div>What do they do when the machine is programed wrong or settings change
unexpectedly.</div>
<div>An example is of a guy down in the valley with very little experience sets
up his drones GPS at home... goes to a place to fly 5 miles away.</div>
<div>Gets the unit in the air and it suddenly heads south at full speed...
towards his house never to be seen again. Now where do you suppose it
crashed when it ran out of battery power? </div>
<div>He was very close to the Mexican border. You think maybe the Border Patrol
may think it’s an intrusion from across the border if they found it?</div>
<div>He then had the nerve to have his credit card company stop payment to the
dealer for what he thought was a defective product. </div>
<div>Dealer wins out since there is no product to inspect, there is no way to
observe a defect.</div>
<div>Bad news would have been if it crashed into someone or a vehicle on the
road.</div>
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<div>Perhaps FAA should require all “DRONE” (autonomous & GPS) flyers to be
able to exhibit full control in manual mode. (No man power to do that,
right)</div>
<div>I bet that “Experienced pro with 3000hrs” flies in GPS or self leveling
mode all the time.</div>
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<div>This discussion needs to be focused on the rogue fliers... not the
sanctioned flying AMA membership. How to do stop a freight train
delivering millions of these to inexperienced fliers?</div>
<div>Good for the suppliers bad for the main contingent. </div>
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<div>Wayne</div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 24, 2015 9:29 AM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Moment A World Cup Skier Was
Nearly Hit By A Drone Falling Out Of The Sky</div></div></div>
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<p dir="ltr">The problem with these drones is that they take no skill to fly, or
knowledge of what makes them tick to operate them. Coupled with multiple single
point failure paths that can make them come down like a ton of bricks, makes for
a potentially lethal combination. Then, add in the idiot factor,
and...</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jon</p><br><br>
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<span style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: #999999">On Thursday, December 24,
2015 S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion <<span style="COLOR: #0000a0"><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></span>>
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<div>I was at the Memorial Day NASCAR race in Charlotte a few years ago when the
cable for the overhead traveling camera broke and fell down across parts of the
grandstand and the track. NASCAR discontinued use of that kind of
camera.</div>
<div>The AMA rules about flying over crowds aren't just because of the
possibility of pilot error, the even the best pilots are unable to recover from
certain mechanical and electrical failures. I think the commercial media
drone people need to learn this lesson.</div>
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</b>"Paul Lukas via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>To:
</b>"General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent:
</b>Thursday, December 24, 2015 10:03:44 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] The Moment A World Cup Skier Was Nearly
Hit By A Drone Falling Out Of The
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">A few weeks ago, I had the
opportunity to attend the Govt Video Expo and “National Drone Show”. While
walking around the drone booths, I got into a conversation with a gentleman who
was advertising his services and explaining how a video drone can be used by a
tower crane operator to do inspections. The guy from the construction
company was enthralled. I jumped into the conversation and mentioned that
the construction site under the crane would have to be cleared of workers to
allow safe operation of the drone. The pitchman was insistent that it was
not necessary. I got into a long conversation with him about safe
operation and use. He ended the conversation by saying how he has 3,000
hours experience flying the drones, he is an experienced drone pilot, and he can
fly a drone just 5 feet over the heads of kids at a skateboard park. I
called him irresponsible and walked away shaking my head.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">It’s not just the rogue
operators, but professionals that think they are too good for anything to go
wrong. Watching that video clip of the skier, it seems to me that the
drone came straight down. It should never have been flying directly over
the race course, but off to the side away from spectators and athletes as
well.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">Does anyone remember the cable
camera that came down on the field in the middle of a NFL game? Almost hit
a player if I remember. Anything hanging or hovering can come down
unexpectedly at any moment.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">Paul</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="COLOR: windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="COLOR: windowtext"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
December 24, 2015 12:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Moment A World Cup Skier Was Nearly Hit By A Drone
Falling Out Of The Sky</span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">This was a commercial operation
by the video provider of the race in Italy using a 22 pound drone. It was fully
authorized by the FIS which puts on world cup races. <br></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">That takes this incident
completely out of the realm of the rogue hobbyist. Of course the FAA might use
the incident to further delay their commercial drone regulations.<br></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/23/2015 7:55 PM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do believe this was a “bite the pillow and enjoy the
sting” moment.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><sigh></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(slinking off to get my registration number)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman ,serif",serif"><a href="http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/22/the-moment-a-world-cup-skier-was-nearly-hit-by-a-drone-falling-out-of-the-sky/" target="_blank">http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/22/the-moment-a-world-cup-skier-was-nearly-hit-by-a-drone-falling-out-of-the-sky/</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">--Keith
Hoard<br><a href="mailto:--klhoard@outlook.com" target="_blank">--klhoard@outlook.com</a></p>
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