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<div>First you have to have club leadership give a shit and follow even the basic ama safety code.</div>
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-------- Original message --------<br>
From: Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br>
Date: 12/23/2015 12:28 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Registration - Pro-Active <br>
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<div class="PlainText">I don't think that is a good idea at all. It may work in the movies, but in<br>
actual practice inviting the FAA to your home turf is like inviting the<br>
police into your own home. There is no upside to it at all. Goodwill today<br>
will in no way prevent an enforcement action in the future. In fact, it may<br>
give them reason to start digging.<br>
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Let the AMA and your club leadership handle "educating" and "outreach" to<br>
them. The FAA is not your friend.<br>
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--Keith Hoard<br>
--klhoard@outlook.com<br>
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|-----Original Message-----<br>
|From: NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On<br>
|Behalf Of James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion<br>
|Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 12:07<br>
|To: 'John FORD' <astropattern@yahoo.com>; NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-<br>
|discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
|Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Registration - Pro-Active<br>
|<br>
|My thought was, we'd be better off getting in front of this and<br>
establishing a<br>
|working relationship with those tasked with enforcement.<br>
|<br>
|Early this morning on CNN there was a news release showing a drone narrowly<br>
|missing skier. The quad copter crashed right behind him. This was what we<br>
|would refer to as a commercial operator getting video for the media.<br>
|<br>
|If the operator doesn't come forward; are the investigators aware that they<br>
|aren't to find the operator at a model flying sight maybe 20+ miles away.<br>
|<br>
|I think we not only can help but should.<br>
|<br>
|Jim<br>
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|-----Original Message-----<br>
|From: John FORD [<a href="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com">mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com</a>]<br>
|Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 4:15 PM<br>
|To: General pattern discussion; James Hiller<br>
|Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Registration - Pro-Active<br>
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|I agree about education.<br>
|In the event that FAA or local law enforcement shows up at the field, (and<br>
after<br>
|they have seen everybody's registration), there may be an opportunity to<br>
|explain the concept of the club's over flight boundaries, separation of<br>
heli and<br>
|fixed wing zones, and the additional concept of the pattern box.<br>
|<br>
|Eventually, we can create an image of self-imposed OCD of boundaries,<br>
zones,<br>
|and boxes...<br>
|<br>
|They will eventually stop wasting their time with us.<br>
|<br>
|J<br>
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|<br>
|On Dec 22, 2015 12:41 PM, James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-<br>
|discussion@lists.nsrca.org> wrote:<br>
|><br>
|> Scott, I almost responded to your previous post on the NSRCA list on the<br>
|16th about putting together a paper pointing out the facts, got me thinking<br>
|about how to deal with registration going forward.<br>
|><br>
|> Registration isn't going away and there is no substitute for knowledge.<br>
|><br>
|> There are many knowledgeable and concerned individuals monitoring this<br>
|list, so I'll put this out for serious discussion, if that's possible here.<br>
|><br>
|> Responsibility for a compatible environment goes beyond AMA / FAA<br>
|negations.<br>
|><br>
|> WE, the modeling community need to be Pro-Active.<br>
|><br>
|> We have an understanding of the equipment we use and its evolution and we<br>
|are everywhere.<br>
|><br>
|> The responsibility for educating first responders and the general public<br>
falls<br>
|on US. We probably need more than an educational document focused on the<br>
|registration rule that can be used to inform first responders, mainly<br>
firefighters<br>
|and frontline police officers.<br>
|><br>
|> They will be the first people to deal with an incident involving injury,<br>
property<br>
|damage, complaints and or violation of the national airspace.<br>
|><br>
|> I believe we local modelers need to develop a working relationship with<br>
first<br>
|responders in an instructional capacity by offering an informative and on<br>
sight<br>
|presentation highlighting the equipment, capabilities, differences and how<br>
to<br>
|safely deal with it.<br>
|><br>
|> I don't know how much of this information they already have or how up to<br>
|date it is but I believe our participation would be appreciated.<br>
|><br>
|> The AMA should oversee the development of presentation material and<br>
|instructor guidelines in an effort to maintain national continuity. A power<br>
point<br>
|presentation by involved users is likely to be more effective than just<br>
sending a<br>
|document without an opportunity for discussion.<br>
|><br>
|> The downside is keeping up with RPV development and their capabilities<br>
and<br>
|the need for ongoing informative seminars.<br>
|><br>
|> Hopefully first responders with prior knowledge would help direct<br>
|investigation beyond a visit to approved model flying sights.<br>
|><br>
|> Jim Hiller<br>
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