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<div>Me as well bob with my club. I think that is the best route. </div>
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From: Bob Kane via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br>
Date: 12/15/2015 8:20 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: John Ford <jsf106@gmail.com>, David Harmon <k6xyz@sbcglobal.net>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> John Ford via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21<br>
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<div id="x_yui_3_16_0_1_1450228042188_15931">Probably will become commonplace for clubs to do that sort of thing, I imagine, even though it clearly oversteps their bounds. </div>
<div>If I was a club president, I wouldn't want to touch this with a ten foot pole. Imagine that a club president starts playing "FAA registry police" for the membership, and a plane registered to a club member cause injury to someone offsite, or a club member
hits a Cessna at 1000ft over the club field. What happens then?</div>
<div id="x_yui_3_16_0_1_1450228042188_15934">Someone could argue that even though the statutory liability lies with the individual, the established practice of "registry control" by the club implies acceptance of a similar liability by the club. By doing this,
the club is demonstrating that they are willing to accept responsibility for the compliant behavior of the individual AND of the aircraft. </div>
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<div id="x_yui_3_16_0_1_1450228042188_15935">Why even go there if you don't have to?</div>
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<span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:'Comic Sans MS'; color:rgb(31,73,125)">I agree John……but in the case of the club I belong to…..the BOD will make it theirs and the club business to ensure that all members are registered with the FAA and verified by
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On my plane, the number will be accessible without tools, per the rule, but unless asked by an FAA official, I'm not offering to show where it is to anyone. </div>
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I need to have my registration with me, and I will, but no one gets to see it. As the rule says, this is between me and the FAA. </div>
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Not up to the clubs or the AMA to police individuals on behalf of the FAA, so identity theft should not be a problem. </div>
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On Dec 15, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Comcast via NSRCA-discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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Been thinking the very same thing. Someone steals a user number, does something stupid and then there's a knock at my door. Without a great alibi what are you gonna do???<br clear="none">
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Speaking of use cases, perhaps I missed it in the flurry of emails yesterday, but has anyone thought about the identity theft risk that the FAA is creating? By registering the pilot and not having unique identification numbers for each model that are assigned
to an owner, it sets up the scenario for anyone else to use your number on their model and cause virtually unlimited problems for you, anywhere, anytime. To help reduce this risk, at the very least, the numbers would have to be provided by the FAA with some
sort of marking, holography, whatever to at least raise the difficulty of identity theft from zero to something above zero. You can apparently use a felt marker to scribble your own numbers as it stands now. </div>
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Better yet, from an identity theft perspective at least, there should be unique numbers for each model provided to the owner. This, of course would drive costs way up and incur delays. </div>
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We should put the central planners in charge of every aspect of our lives now, should we not? They've really shown their true colors on this one. Incompetent boobs, every last one of them.</div>
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Honestly, I think thats one of the use-cases the FAA didn't think through real well...</div>
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My belief is that this whole thing is about creating a sense of accountability for the "rogue" users (I'm not willing to give them the term pilot because they don't deserve it) who do stupid shit like flying around a wildfire and preventing Calfire airborne
response for 20+ minutes, etc. It's about dealing with the anti-AMA guys who fly 120+mph EDFs weighing 6+ lbs over an active soccer game at a local park, it's about dealing with the dipshits who fly their drone on the takeoff/approach path of an active full
scale airport in hopes of "cool footage". The AMA field flyers are the least of the FAA's worries and we're blowing it out of proportion. Yes, it's a stupid regulation, but let's comply where we can and show ourselves to be the responsible modelers the AMA
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For the foreign guys, first of all, sorry for the needless red tape (though I think a similar thing is coming for the BMFA guys in the UK and it would not surprise me to see a more sensible version of this from the Canadian guys). But if I were CD'ing a contest
and some guys came down from the Great White North, I'd happily hook them up with some temporary form of my own registration # to put in their planes for the purposes of flying at the contest because I know them to be responsible pilots.</div>
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On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Anthony Cornacchione via NSRCA-discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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Legit question with an unknown answer: how will this impact international (IMAC Worlds in Muncie 2018) NATS with international competitors (NATS News this year had a nice write up) and our local contests which have had the occasional Canadian wander south?</div>
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Boaters register their pleasure craft, fishermen & hunters buy licenses, some folks even register their firearms! So what? Are we going to give up our hobby just because of a tiny pice of red tape? Nope! Just keep flying. The bad actors who misuse their aircraft
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Hasn’t that private information ship already sailed? We all register cars and think nothing of it. Heck, we even took classes, got educated, and were tested for a license before we could own or operate a car and we have to renew that every four years and
prove we’re still physically capable (minimal proof admittedly). Personally not sure a gun should be much different but don’t want to start that discussion (especially since I’m generally pro gun…just not pro redneck hill jack survivalist conspiracy theorist)
but not registering to fly airplanes? Really? We trade more info internationally downloading a Facebook app. Also, we’re already registered… just with the AMA, not the USA. And yes, the AMA is trying to make that our ONLY registration, but that’s just
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Guys… we already do ALL of this. Our AMA # is on the plane, we follow safety rules, blah blah blah. This is a very minor inconvenience and if the AMA proposal to use our AMA# for our registration number it won’t even be that. </div>
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<b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> NSRCA-discussion [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span style="color:purple">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> NSRCA-discussion [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span style="color:purple">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On
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<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span style="color:purple">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Georgia,serif; color:blue">Well, here it is boys and girls. It's official and starts next Monday. The link is for the FAQ's of what's happening. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Georgia,serif; color:blue"> You only have to register once and you don't have to individually register all of your models.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Georgia,serif; color:blue">You must be able to provide proof of registration and have it on you when flying.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Georgia,serif; color:blue">You must have your Registration # (not going to be a N number) in your airplane where it is legible and accessible without the use of tools (aka under your canopy). </span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Georgia,serif; color:blue">If you sell a model, you should update your records. (I don't completely understand this if we aren't registering all of our models individually but, OK)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Georgia,serif; color:blue">Registration is $5 but you'll get that back if you register in the first 30 days, I believe.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Georgia,serif; color:blue">Have a look at the link and prepare to be upset.....</span></div>
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