<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>So i will comply with the registration as i follow the rules as always..</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">But i might have to see a warrant to open my aircraft up to the FAA .. Needing causation to intrude my civil liberties ... Assuming they show up and my plane is not in the air at that moment .... Other wise my pattern plane will be a new winged ground racer not meant for flight an the FAA can piss off at that point ... Im like that š. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">G<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Dec 15, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Sure but you do realize the compliance dates, right?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)">December 21, 2015
ā¢ Any small unmanned aircraft to be used exclusively as
model aircraft that have never been operated.
ā¢ Small unmanned aircraft to be used in authorized
operations as other than model aircraft continue to use
part 47 registration process.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)"> February 19, 2016
ā¢ Small unmanned aircraft to be used exclusively as model
aircraft and have been operated by their owner prior to
December 21, 2015. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)">March 31, 2016
ā¢ Small unmanned aircraft to be used in authorized
operations other than as model aircraft continue to use
part 47 registration process or use part 48 process.
Ā§ 48.5 </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Essentially, they're saying if it has never flown prior to Dec. 21, it has to be registered prior to flying it. How exactly are they going to pre-register models with zero time frame not to mention all those recently sold for the holidays?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><font style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</font></b><br><div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div><div>Texas A&M University</div><div>PPL - ASEL</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Dana Beaton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danamaenia@me.com" target="_blank">danamaenia@me.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>No, not FAA, lawyers will advise manufactures, importers, resellers, etc. to limit their liability by including registration information as part of their business processes, so that the end user would be informed. A product liability warning, like all the paper that comes with new power tools or lawn mowers.</div><div><br></div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 15, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><span style="font-size:12.8px">So, you think the FAA is going to "make" all of the factories in China, Thailand, and Singapore comply with their rule? Me thinks not.</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><font style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</font></b><br><div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div><div>Texas A&M University</div><div>PPL - ASEL</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Peter Vogel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The FAA also mentions "pre-registered" aircraft. I believe that the manufacturers will be pre-registering aircraft to their customers, but I could be wrong.<div><br></div><div>Peter+</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 10:33 AM, DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div>To limit liability, all manufacturers, retailers, and clubs will have to include the new regs with every vehicle and every membership sold/offered. And of course the rogues that have caused the problems and will continue to cause the problems will not register.</div><div><br></div><div>It is the camels nose in the tent, it is the slippery slope, it is yet again another unelected bureaucratic over reach that will accomplish little or nothing other than grow wasteful government and degrade personal liberty. It will be a tool used by the FAA to characterize all modelers as irresponsible operators causing the problems, and we (the vast majority) will be subject to ever increasingly restrictive (and uneffective) egulations targeted to control the tiny minority.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Regards,</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Dave</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy NoteĀ® 3</div></div><span><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>Date: 12/15/2015 13:05 (GMT-05:00) <br>To: James Hiller <<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" target="_blank">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>>, General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21 <br><br></span><span><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">My question is.....</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:#0000ff">Since the FAA has no ability to put something in place at the point of sale and since the FAA cannot make a law and only a rule, how are they going to let all the Best Buy / Radio Shack / Walmart / online store buyers know that they must register? There are going to be so many new operators out there that have no idea this is happening. I heard a ridiculous number of the amount of these toys being sold just this Christmas season. They obviously did not think this through. Announcement and implementation all in one week. That's the fastest I've ever seen a bureaucracy work even if it did benefit them. </div></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><span><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><font style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif" size="4">Scott A. McHarg</font></b><br><div>VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot</div><div>Texas A&M University</div><div>PPL - ASEL</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 11:56 AM, James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Does anyone really believe an outlaw operator is going to put a number on their toy of choice?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Jim <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 15, 2015 9:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> Dana Beaton<br><b>Cc:</b> John Ford; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dana<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>The identity theft risk with the FAA number is that if someone places your number on their model and causes property damage or injuries or worse, then the FAA and law enforcement are coming down on your head. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span><br>On Dec 15, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Dana Beaton <<a href="mailto:danamaenia@me.com" target="_blank">danamaenia@me.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi Ed, Andy and I joined Buc-Le in Quakertown this week since Farview closed (due to excess turbine traffic outraging the neighbors, having nothing to do with drones or nefarious non-members). Buc-Le requires that club membership cards, or AMA cards for guests, be placed on the board while we fly. Many clubs have a system like this. The LVRCS still does, but we now permit members to wear their membership cards if they donāt want to use the board. Someone who wants to borrow an identity, copy or steal an AMA card, can just stroll up to the box: No need for someone to help one of us find parts to a downed model, itās that simple today to grab a name and number of someone who is reputable in the hobby to hide behind. I have not heard of this happeningso it seems so unlikely, even now with registration coming down the pike.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>In the coming compliance environment, the new normal for AMA members, what may mar our hobby is reputable hobbyist pilots NOT registering? I get that a lot of us are angry at what has transpired, but letās think through the more probable scenarios and avoid needless troubles for ourselves and clubs.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Decades ago when I was training for my Private Pilot ticket we still had the large registration numbers, N numbers, on general aviation planes. Every instructor had stories about the one little old lady who called the police every time she saw a low flying aircraft overhead. While the pilot in question may have been in fact at a legal altitude/separation per the FARs, that did not stop those nuisance calls. When the police came to ask around in these stories, nothing ever came of the complaints as the pilots, operators, etc. all had their documents in order and were flying responsibly. Just crank calls that burdened the cops, resulting no problems for the flight school. What I am getting at is if and when our neighbor calls around about activity at our clubs, should the locals come around asking, we will have all our documents in order. If asked, like John suggests, we can produce registration. End of story. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>OTOH, if neighbors complain and local authorities cannot establish that club members are operating within guidelines, there could be more questions than the situation would otherwise merit. That is the more likely scenario in my mind than bad actors stealing my identity to fly drones badly. We might want to worry more about the mundane stuff like that than the more elaborate scenarios?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Respectfully/anonymously (LOL),<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dana<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Dec 15, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">That should work for the most part. Don't ever let anyone help you look for a lost/crashed model I guess. There are still complications for various scenarios, such as for anyone who wants to teach a student to fly etc. <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: <a href="mailto:jsf106@gmail.com" target="_blank">jsf106@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21<br>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:37:04 -0500<br>CC: <a href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:mark.grabowski@comcast.net" target="_blank">mark.grabowski@comcast.net</a>; <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><br>On my plane, the number will be accessible without tools, per the rule, but unless asked by an FAA official, I'm not offering to show where it is to anyone. <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I need to have my registration with me, and I will, but no one gets to see it. As the rule says, this is between me and the FAA. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Not up to the clubs or the AMA to police individuals on behalf of the FAA, so identity theft should not be a problem. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">John<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Dec 15, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Comcast via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Been thinking the very same thing. Someone steals a user number, does something stupid and then there's a knock at my door. Without a great alibi what are you gonna do???<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>On Dec 15, 2015, at 5:23 AM, Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Speaking of use cases, perhaps I missed it in the flurry of emails yesterday, but has anyone thought about the identity theft risk that the FAA is creating? By registering the pilot and not having unique identification numbers for each model that are assigned to an owner, it sets up the scenario for anyone else to use your number on their model and cause virtually unlimited problems for you, anywhere, anytime. To help reduce this risk, at the very least, the numbers would have to be provided by the FAA with some sort of marking, holography, whatever to at least raise the difficulty of identity theft from zero to something above zero. You can apparently use a felt marker to scribble your own numbers as it stands now. <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Better yet, from an identity theft perspective at least, there should be unique numbers for each model provided to the owner. This, of course would drive costs way up and incur delays. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We should put the central planners in charge of every aspect of our lives now, should we not? They've really shown their true colors on this one. Incompetent boobs, every last one of them.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:53:22 -0800<br>To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:acornacchione@hotmail.com" target="_blank">acornacchione@hotmail.com</a>;<span> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21<br>From:<span> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Honestly, I think thats one of the use-cases the FAA didn't think through real well...<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">My belief is that this whole thing is about creating a sense of accountability for the "rogue" users (I'm not willing to give them the term pilot because they don't deserve it) who do stupid shit like flying around a wildfire and preventing Calfire airborne response for 20+ minutes, etc. It's about dealing with the anti-AMA guys who fly 120+mph EDFs weighing 6+ lbs over an active soccer game at a local park, it's about dealing with the dipshits who fly their drone on the takeoff/approach path of an active full scale airport in hopes of "cool footage". The AMA field flyers are the least of the FAA's worries and we're blowing it out of proportion. Yes, it's a stupid regulation, but let's comply where we can and show ourselves to be the responsible modelers the AMA says we are.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">For the foreign guys, first of all, sorry for the needless red tape (though I think a similar thing is coming for the BMFA guys in the UK and it would not surprise me to see a more sensible version of this from the Canadian guys). But if I were CD'ing a contest and some guys came down from the Great White North, I'd happily hook them up with some temporary form of my own registration # to put in their planes for the purposes of flying at the contest because I know them to be responsible pilots.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Peter+<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Anthony Cornacchione via NSRCA-discussion<span> </span><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><span> </span>wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Legit question with an unknown answer: how will this impact international (IMAC Worlds in Muncie 2018) NATS with international competitors (NATS News this year had a nice write up) and our local contests which have had the occasional Canadian wander south?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Boaters register their pleasure craft, fishermen & hunters buy licenses, some folks even register their firearms! So what? Are we going to give up our hobby just because of a tiny pice of red tape? Nope! Just keep flying. The bad actors who misuse their aircraft will run afoul local authorities sure enough, that's their problem, not ours. We need to continue to set the good example though our good flying. Good flying will carry the day.<br><br>Sent from my iPad<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So, just shut up and drink the Kool-Aid?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, December 14, 2015 6:15 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Atwood, Mark; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Yep.... yep... yep.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hasnāt that private information ship already sailed? We all register cars and think nothing of it. Heck, we even took classes, got educated, and were tested for a license before we could own or operate a car and we have to renew that every four years and prove weāre still physically capable (minimal proof admittedly). Personally not sure a gun should be much different but donāt want to start that discussion (especially since Iām generally pro gunā¦just not pro redneck hill jack survivalist conspiracy theorist) but not registering to fly airplanes? Really? We trade more info internationally downloading a Facebook app. Also, weāre already registeredā¦ just with the AMA, not the USA. And yes, the AMA is trying to make that our ONLY registration, but thatās just a proposal at this point. <span> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Guysā¦ we already do ALL of this. Our AMA # is on the plane, we follow safety rules, blah blah blah. This is a very minor inconvenience and if the AMA proposal to use our AMA# for our registration number it wonāt even be that. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Dec 14, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Now is the time for massive civil disobedience!</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I don't think I'd register my planes any more than I'd register my guns.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Too bad AMA has no clout like the NRA.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dave</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert L. Beaubien via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 14, 2015 1:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Scott McHarg; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Morons at workā¦.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79"> Robert Beaubien</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79"> <a href="http://droneplastics.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">DronePlastics.com</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">āDear Algebra, Please stop asking us to find your X. She's never coming back and don't ask Y.ā</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 14, 2015 11:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue">Well, here it is boys and girls. It's official and starts next Monday. The link is for the FAQ's of what's happening. </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue"> You only have to register once and you don't have to individually register all of your models.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue">You must be able to provide proof of registration and have it on you when flying.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue">You must have your Registration # (not going to be a N number) in your airplane where it is legible and accessible without the use of tools (aka under your canopy). </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue">If you sell a model, you should update your records. (I don't completely understand this if we aren't registering all of our models individually but, OK)</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue">Registration is $5 but you'll get that back if you register in the first 30 days, I believe.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue">Have a look at the link and prepare to be upset.....</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue"><a href="http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#3333ff">Scott A. 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