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Do you really think the person flying around the Statue of liberty
or over the white house is going to have his or her name in their
drone, so it can be returned if they accidentally crash it?<br>
<br>
I agree with its a pain, its stupid but its not a big deal for us.
Live with it and eventually it will change into something else,
better or worse.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/15/2015 8:01 AM, Ed Alt via
NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">That should work for the most part. Don't ever let
anyone help you look for a lost/crashed model I guess. There
are still complications for various scenarios, such as for
anyone who wants to teach a student to fly etc. <br>
<br>
<div>
<hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jsf106@gmail.com">jsf106@gmail.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins
December 21<br>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:37:04 -0500<br>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mark.grabowski@comcast.net">mark.grabowski@comcast.net</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
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On my plane, the number will be accessible without tools, per
the rule, but unless asked by an FAA official, I'm not
offering to show where it is to anyone.
<div>I need to have my registration with me, and I will, but
no one gets to see it. As the rule says, this is between me
and the FAA. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Not up to the clubs or the AMA to police individuals on
behalf of the FAA, so identity theft should not be a
problem. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>John</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Dec 15, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Comcast via
NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div>Been thinking the very same thing. Someone steals
a user number, does something stupid and then
there's a knock at my door. Without a great alibi
what are you gonna do???<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Dec 15, 2015, at 5:23 AM, Ed Alt via
NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Speaking of use cases, perhaps I
missed it in the flurry of emails yesterday, but
has anyone thought about the identity theft risk
that the FAA is creating? By registering the
pilot and not having unique identification numbers
for each model that are assigned to an owner, it
sets up the scenario for anyone else to use your
number on their model and cause virtually
unlimited problems for you, anywhere, anytime. To
help reduce this risk, at the very least, the
numbers would have to be provided by the FAA with
some sort of marking, holography, whatever to at
least raise the difficulty of identity theft from
zero to something above zero. You can apparently
use a felt marker to scribble your own numbers as
it stands now.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Better yet, from an identity theft
perspective at least, there should be unique
numbers for each model provided to the owner.
This, of course would drive costs way up and
incur delays. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We should put the central planners in charge
of every aspect of our lives now, should we not?
They've really shown their true colors on this
one. Incompetent boobs, every last one of them.<br>
<br>
<div>
<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Mon, 14 Dec
2015 15:53:22 -0800<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:acornacchione@hotmail.com">acornacchione@hotmail.com</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA
Registration begins December 21<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Honestly, I think thats one of
the use-cases the FAA didn't think through
real well...
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My belief is that this whole thing is
about creating a sense of accountability
for the "rogue" users (I'm not willing to
give them the term pilot because they
don't deserve it) who do stupid shit like
flying around a wildfire and preventing
Calfire airborne response for 20+ minutes,
etc. It's about dealing with the anti-AMA
guys who fly 120+mph EDFs weighing 6+ lbs
over an active soccer game at a local
park, it's about dealing with the dipshits
who fly their drone on the
takeoff/approach path of an active full
scale airport in hopes of "cool footage".
The AMA field flyers are the least of the
FAA's worries and we're blowing it out of
proportion. Yes, it's a stupid
regulation, but let's comply where we can
and show ourselves to be the responsible
modelers the AMA says we are.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For the foreign guys, first of all,
sorry for the needless red tape (though I
think a similar thing is coming for the
BMFA guys in the UK and it would not
surprise me to see a more sensible version
of this from the Canadian guys). But if I
were CD'ing a contest and some guys came
down from the Great White North, I'd
happily hook them up with some temporary
form of my own registration # to put in
their planes for the purposes of flying at
the contest because I know them to be
responsible pilots.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Peter+</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14,
2015 at 3:46 PM, Anthony Cornacchione via
NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Legit question with an unknown
answer: how will this impact
international (IMAC Worlds in Muncie
2018) NATS with international
competitors (NATS News this year had
a nice write up) and our local
contests which have had the
occasional Canadian wander south?</div>
<div>
<div class="h5">
<div><br>
On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:33 PM,
Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>Boaters register their
pleasure craft, fishermen
& hunters buy licenses,
some folks even register their
firearms! So what? Are we
going to give up our hobby
just because of a tiny pice of
red tape? Nope! Just keep
flying. The bad actors who
misuse their aircraft will run
afoul local authorities sure
enough, that's their problem,
not ours. We need to continue
to set the good example though
our good flying. Good flying
will carry the day.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</div>
<div><br>
On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM,
Dave Burton via
NSRCA-discussion <<a
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wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">So,
just shut up and drink the
Kool-Aid?</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span></p>
<div
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";">
NSRCA-discussion [<a
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Derek
Koopowitz via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday,
December 14, 2015 6:15
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Atwood, Mark;
General pattern
discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] FAA
Registration begins
December 21</span></p>
</div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">Yep....
yep... yep.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">On
Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at
2:32 PM, Atwood, Mark
via NSRCA-discussion
<<a
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>>
wrote:</p>
<div>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal">Hasn’t
that private
information ship
already sailed? We
all register cars and
think nothing of it.
Heck, we even took
classes, got educated,
and were tested for a
license before we
could own or operate a
car and we have to
renew that every four
years and prove we’re
still physically
capable (minimal proof
admittedly).
Personally not sure a
gun should be much
different but don’t
want to start that
discussion (especially
since I’m generally
pro gun…just not pro
redneck hill jack
survivalist conspiracy
theorist) but not
registering to fly
airplanes? Really?
We trade more info
internationally
downloading a Facebook
app. Also, we’re
already registered…
just with the AMA, not
the USA. And yes, the
AMA is trying to make
that our ONLY
registration, but
that’s just a proposal
at this point. </p>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal">Guys…
we already do ALL of
this. Our AMA # is
on the plane, we
follow safety rules,
blah blah blah.
This is a very minor
inconvenience and if
the AMA proposal to
use our AMA# for our
registration number
it won’t even be
that. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
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</div>
<div>
<p
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal">On
Dec 14, 2015,
at 5:15 PM,
Dave Burton
via
NSRCA-discussion
<<a
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wrote:</p>
</div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">Now
is the time
for massive
civil
disobedience!</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">I
don't think
I'd register
my planes any
more than I'd
register my
guns.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">Too
bad AMA has no
clout like the
NRA.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">Dave</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div
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0in 0in 0in;">
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";"> NSRCA-discussion
[<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></span></a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Robert
L. Beaubien
via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday,
December 14,
2015 1:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Scott
McHarg;
General
pattern
discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion]
FAA
Registration
begins
December 21</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">Morons
at work….</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span></p>
</div>
<div style="">
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79;">-</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f4e79;"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79;"> Robert
Beaubien</span></p>
</div>
<div style="">
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79;">-</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f4e79;"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79;"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://droneplastics.com/" target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple;">DronePlastics.com</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div style="">
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">“Dear
Algebra,
Please stop
asking us to
find your X.
She's never
coming back
and don't ask
Y.”</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"> NSRCA-discussion
[<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></span></a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Scott
McHarg via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday,
December 14,
2015 11:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General
pattern
discussion
<<a
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span
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<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion]
FAA
Registration
begins
December 21</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
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</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">Well,
here it is
boys and
girls. It's
official and
starts next
Monday. The
link is for
the FAQ's of
what's
happening. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;"> You
only have to
register once
and you don't
have to
individually
register all
of your
models.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">You
must be able
to provide
proof of
registration
and have it on
you when
flying.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">You
must have your
Registration #
(not going to
be a N number)
in your
airplane where
it is legible
and accessible
without the
use of tools
(aka under
your canopy).
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">If
you sell a
model, you
should update
your records.
(I don't
completely
understand
this if we
aren't
registering
all of our
models
individually
but, OK)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">Registration
is $5 but
you'll get
that back if
you register
in the first
30 days, I
believe.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">Have
a look at the
link and
prepare to be
upset.....</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
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style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/"
target="_blank"><span style="color:purple;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/">http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/</a></span></a></span></p>
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<div>
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A. McHarg</span></b></p>
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