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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>That should work for the most part. Don't ever let anyone help you look for a lost/crashed model I guess. There are still complications for various scenarios, such as for anyone who wants to teach a student to fly etc. <br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: jsf106@gmail.com<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21<br>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:37:04 -0500<br>CC: ed_alt@hotmail.com<br>To: mark.grabowski@comcast.net; nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br><br>On my plane, the number will be accessible without tools, per the rule, but unless asked by an FAA official, I'm not offering to show where it is to anyone. <div>I need to have my registration with me, and I will, but no one gets to see it. As the rule says, this is between me and the FAA. </div><div><br></div><div>Not up to the clubs or the AMA to police individuals on behalf of the FAA, so identity theft should not be a problem. </div><div><br></div><div>John</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 15, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Comcast via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div dir="auto"><div>Been thinking the very same thing. Someone steals a user number, does something stupid and then there's a knock at my door. Without a great alibi what are you gonna do???<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Dec 15, 2015, at 5:23 AM, Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote>
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<div dir="ltr">Speaking of use cases, perhaps I missed it in the flurry of emails yesterday, but has anyone thought about the identity theft risk that the FAA is creating? By registering the pilot and not having unique identification numbers for each model that are assigned to an owner, it sets up the scenario for anyone else to use your number on their model and cause virtually unlimited problems for you, anywhere, anytime. To help reduce this risk, at the very least, the numbers would have to be provided by the FAA with some sort of marking, holography, whatever to at least raise the difficulty of identity theft from zero to something above zero. You can apparently use a felt marker to scribble your own numbers as it stands now. <div><br></div><div>Better yet, from an identity theft perspective at least, there should be unique numbers for each model provided to the owner. This, of course would drive costs way up and incur delays. </div><div><br></div><div>We should put the central planners in charge of every aspect of our lives now, should we not? They've really shown their true colors on this one. Incompetent boobs, every last one of them.<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:53:22 -0800<br>To: <a href="mailto:acornacchione@hotmail.com">acornacchione@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21<br>From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><br><div dir="ltr">Honestly, I think thats one of the use-cases the FAA didn't think through real well...<div><br></div><div>My belief is that this whole thing is about creating a sense of accountability for the "rogue" users (I'm not willing to give them the term pilot because they don't deserve it) who do stupid shit like flying around a wildfire and preventing Calfire airborne response for 20+ minutes, etc. It's about dealing with the anti-AMA guys who fly 120+mph EDFs weighing 6+ lbs over an active soccer game at a local park, it's about dealing with the dipshits who fly their drone on the takeoff/approach path of an active full scale airport in hopes of "cool footage". The AMA field flyers are the least of the FAA's worries and we're blowing it out of proportion. Yes, it's a stupid regulation, but let's comply where we can and show ourselves to be the responsible modelers the AMA says we are.</div><div><br></div><div>For the foreign guys, first of all, sorry for the needless red tape (though I think a similar thing is coming for the BMFA guys in the UK and it would not surprise me to see a more sensible version of this from the Canadian guys). But if I were CD'ing a contest and some guys came down from the Great White North, I'd happily hook them up with some temporary form of my own registration # to put in their planes for the purposes of flying at the contest because I know them to be responsible pilots.</div><div><br></div><div>Peter+</div><div><br></div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Anthony Cornacchione via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="auto"><div></div><div>Legit question with an unknown answer: how will this impact international (IMAC Worlds in Muncie 2018) NATS with international competitors (NATS News this year had a nice write up) and our local contests which have had the occasional Canadian wander south?</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div>Boaters register their pleasure craft, fishermen & hunters buy licenses, some folks even register their firearms! So what? Are we going to give up our hobby just because of a tiny pice of red tape? Nope! Just keep flying. The bad actors who misuse their aircraft will run afoul local authorities sure enough, that's their problem, not ours. We need to continue to set the good example though our good flying. Good flying will carry the day.<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">So, just shut up and drink the Kool-Aid?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 14, 2015 6:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> Atwood, Mark; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">Yep.... yep... yep.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">Hasn’t that private information ship already sailed? We all register cars and think nothing of it. Heck, we even took classes, got educated, and were tested for a license before we could own or operate a car and we have to renew that every four years and prove we’re still physically capable (minimal proof admittedly). Personally not sure a gun should be much different but don’t want to start that discussion (especially since I’m generally pro gun…just not pro redneck hill jack survivalist conspiracy theorist) but not registering to fly airplanes? Really? We trade more info internationally downloading a Facebook app. Also, we’re already registered… just with the AMA, not the USA. And yes, the AMA is trying to make that our ONLY registration, but that’s just a proposal at this point. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">Guys… we already do ALL of this. Our AMA # is on the plane, we follow safety rules, blah blah blah. This is a very minor inconvenience and if the AMA proposal to use our AMA# for our registration number it won’t even be that. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">On Dec 14, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">Now is the time for massive civil disobedience!</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">I don't think I'd register my planes any more than I'd register my guns.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">Too bad AMA has no clout like the NRA.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">Dave</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple;">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert L. Beaubien via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 14, 2015 1:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Scott McHarg; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">Morons at work….</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div style=""><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79;">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f4e79;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79;"> Robert Beaubien</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div style=""><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79;">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f4e79;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79;"> <a href="http://droneplastics.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple;">DronePlastics.com</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div style=""><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;">“Dear Algebra, Please stop asking us to find your X. She's never coming back and don't ask Y.”</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple;">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 14, 2015 11:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple;">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">Well, here it is boys and girls. It's official and starts next Monday. The link is for the FAQ's of what's happening. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;"> You only have to register once and you don't have to individually register all of your models.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">You must be able to provide proof of registration and have it on you when flying.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">You must have your Registration # (not going to be a N number) in your airplane where it is legible and accessible without the use of tools (aka under your canopy). </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">If you sell a model, you should update your records. (I don't completely understand this if we aren't registering all of our models individually but, OK)</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">Registration is $5 but you'll get that back if you register in the first 30 days, I believe.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;">Have a look at the link and prepare to be upset.....</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:blue;"><a href="http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple;">http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#3333ff;">Scott A. 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