<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Comet?? </div><div>It's more like a Dunce Cap no?<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Sep 2, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div aria-label="Compose body">Guys, I am really new to pattern. Does the goldfish have to be done under water? Else, how would the goldfish live???</div><div><br></div><div><span name="x"></span><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><div style="text-align: center;"><div style="text-align: left;"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span style="color: #8b8b8b;"><span style="font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-size: 12px;"><span style="font-size: 11px;"><span style="font-size: 10px;"><em><strong><span style="font-size: 14px;">Phil Spelt, KCRC Emeritus, Secretary<br>AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member<br>SPA L-18, Board Member<br>(865) 435-1476v (865) 604-0541c</span><br></strong></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"></span></span></span></span></span></div></span></span><span name="x"></span></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style="color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>To: </b>"DaveL322" <<a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>>, "General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, September 2, 2015 3:28:58 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls<br><div><br></div>Sure descriptive names like Comet and Bunt and clown dance and now Big M and eyecatcher. All really describe the maneuver :)<br> 2/3 (or 3/4) cuban eight or reverse cuban eight wasn't catchy enough. <br> Sequence committee; Lets call it a goldfish. <br> FAI Sequence committee: No that's an American name let's call it a comet. Now thats cool!!<br> <br> For those that don't know my sense of humor insert tongue in cheek emoticon :-J<br> <br> Stuart<br> <br> <br> <br><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/2/2015 3:16 PM, DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br></div><blockquote cite="mid:la242jrhp0g0jpuo6ln84u6a.1441220643076@email.android.com"><div>Exactly.</div><div><br></div><div>A roll is a roll.</div><div><br></div><div>A loop is a loop.</div><div><br></div><div>A square loop with half rollS has multiple rollS just like a top hat with half rollS.</div><div><br></div><div>Changing the name of the maneuver would make it consistent other maneuvers and, consistent with the maneuver description.</div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" data-mce-style="font-size: 85%; color: #575757;">Regards,</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" data-mce-style="font-size: 85%; color: #575757;"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" data-mce-style="font-size: 85%; color: #575757;">Dave</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" data-mce-style="font-size: 85%; color: #575757;"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" data-mce-style="font-size: 85%; color: #575757;">Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3</div></div><br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> From: James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> <br> Date: 09/02/2015 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) <br> To: 'Don Ramsey' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com"><donramsey@gmail.com></a>, 'General pattern discussion' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> <br> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <br> <br><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times
New Roman'; color: #1f497d;">It's been called that for 30+ years. Eliminating "Roll" in the description makes works for me.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
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1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
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New Roman"" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times
New Roman';"> NSRCA-discussion [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:17 AM<br> <b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">BTW, why is Masters maneuver 17 call a “Cobra Roll” anyway? It has nothing to do with a roll. A better name might be “Cobra”.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
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1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1" data-mce-style="mso-outline-level: 1;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:52 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Jon Lowe; General pattern discussion; Stuart Chale<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">"Loop" equals 360 degrees. Would not "roll" also equal 360 degrees?</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">In AMA, 2 point roll, 4 point roll, and 8 point roll all convey a full rotation with no change in direction. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Unless AMA adopts the FAI style of describing rolls, it seems a roll should be a roll?</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; color: #575757;">Regards,</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; color: #575757;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; color: #575757;">Dave</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; color: #575757;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; color: #575757;">Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1" data-mce-style="mso-outline-level: 1;"><br> <br> -------- Original message --------<br> From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br> Date: 09/02/2015 9:35 AM (GMT-05:00) <br> To: NSRCA <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>, Stuart Chale <<a href="mailto:schale1@outlook.com" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:schale1@outlook.com">schale1@outlook.com</a>> <br> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <br> <br> Just looked at the maneuver description, and it doesn't specify roll direction.<br> <br> Jon Lowe<br> <br> On Sep 2, 2015 8:04 AM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > Is there a specified direction to the second portion of a cobra roll. <br> > Roll in same direction as first half of the maneuver or is it pilots choice. <br> > M17 has a Cobra roll with 4 of 8 on each half. <br> > Thanks, <br> > Stuart <br> > _______________________________________________ <br> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list <br> > <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <br> > <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank" data-mce-href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a> <br> _______________________________________________<br> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank" data-mce-href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br data-mce-bogus="1"></p></div><br><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br><pre>_______________________________________________
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