<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Wow. RVP -- thanks!!! With help like that, I'll be winning FAI by next spring. Look out, pilots!!!<br></div><div><br></div><div>It is like when I had lip surgery. I asked the surgeon how soon I could play the trumpet. She said to let it heal for aobut 6 months and I should be good t oplay. I said thaty's great. 'cause I can't play trumpet now. Ba-Da-boom...<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>To: </b>"General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, September 2, 2015 9:31:52 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls<br><div><br></div>No, that would be silly! However, the pilot has to don special goggles so it looks like the airplane is under the water.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Glad to be of assistance.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ron</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote class=""><div class="">On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><div class="">Guys, I am really new to pattern. Does the goldfish have to be done under water? Else, how would the goldfish live???</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class=""></span><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><div style="text-align: center;" class=""><div style="text-align: left;" class=""><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"><span style="color: #8b8b8b;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10px;" class=""><em class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Phil Spelt, KCRC Emeritus, Secretary<br class="">AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member<br class="">SPA L-18, Board Member<br class="">(865) 435-1476v (865) 604-0541c</span><br class=""></strong></em></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></div><span class="signature-truncate"><span class="signature-truncate"></span></span></div></span></span><span class=""></span></div><hr id="zwchr" class=""><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><b class="">From: </b>"Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">To: </b>"DaveL322" <<a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net" class="" target="_blank">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>>, "General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" class="" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent: </b>Wednesday, September 2, 2015 3:28:58 PM<br class=""><b class="">Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Sure descriptive names like Comet and Bunt and clown dance and now Big M and eyecatcher. All really describe the maneuver :)<br class=""> 2/3 (or 3/4) cuban eight or reverse cuban eight wasn't catchy enough. <br class=""> Sequence committee; Lets call it a goldfish. <br class=""> FAI Sequence committee: No that's an American name let's call it a comet. Now thats cool!!<br class=""> <br class=""> For those that don't know my sense of humor insert tongue in cheek emoticon :-J<br class=""> <br class=""> Stuart<br class=""> <br class=""> <br class=""> <br class=""><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/2/2015 3:16 PM, DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote cite="mid:la242jrhp0g0jpuo6ln84u6a.1441220643076@email.android.com" class=""><div class="">Exactly.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A roll is a roll.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A loop is a loop.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A square loop with half rollS has multiple rollS just like a top hat with half rollS.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Changing the name of the maneuver would make it consistent other maneuvers and, consistent with the maneuver description.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div id="composer_signature" class=""><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" class="">Regards,</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" class="">Dave</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" class="">Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3</div></div><br class=""> <br class=""> -------- Original message --------<br class=""> From: James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> <br class=""> Date: 09/02/2015 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) <br class=""> To: 'Don Ramsey' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com" target="_blank"><donramsey@gmail.com></a>, 'General pattern discussion' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> <br class=""> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <br class=""> <br class=""><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D" class="">It's been called that for 30+ years. Eliminating "Roll" in the description makes works for me.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
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Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT" class="">From - Cobra Roll, 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
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Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT" class="">To - Cobra, with 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
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New Roman";color:#1F497D" class=""></span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman"" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman"" class=""> NSRCA-discussion [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion<br class=""> <b class="">Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:17 AM<br class=""> <b class="">To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br class=""> <b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls</span></p></div></div><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class="">BTW, why is Masters maneuver 17 call a “Cobra Roll” anyway? It has nothing to do with a roll. A better name might be “Cobra”.</span></p><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class=""> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" class="">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion<br class=""> <b class="">Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:52 AM<br class=""> <b class="">To:</b> Jon Lowe; General pattern discussion; Stuart Chale<br class=""> <b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls</span></p></div></div><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">"Loop" equals 360 degrees. Would not "roll" also equal 360 degrees?</p></div><div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">In AMA, 2 point roll, 4 point roll, and 8 point roll all convey a full rotation with no change in direction. </p></div><div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Unless AMA adopts the FAI style of describing rolls, it seems a roll should be a roll?</p></div><div class=""><div class=""> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div id="composer_signature" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757" class="">Regards,</span></p></div><div class=""><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757" class="">Dave</span></p></div><div class=""><div class=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757" class=""> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757" class="">Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><br class=""> <br class=""> -------- Original message --------<br class=""> From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br class=""> Date: 09/02/2015 9:35 AM (GMT-05:00) <br class=""> To: NSRCA <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>, Stuart Chale <<a href="mailto:schale1@outlook.com" target="_blank" class="">schale1@outlook.com</a>> <br class=""> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <br class=""> <br class=""> Just looked at the maneuver description, and it doesn't specify roll direction.<br class=""> <br class=""> Jon Lowe<br class=""> <br class=""> On Sep 2, 2015 8:04 AM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""> ><br class=""> > Is there a specified direction to the second portion of a cobra roll. <br class=""> > Roll in same direction as first half of the maneuver or is it pilots choice. <br class=""> > M17 has a Cobra roll with 4 of 8 on each half. <br class=""> > Thanks, <br class=""> > Stuart <br class=""> > _______________________________________________ <br class=""> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list <br class=""> > <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" class="">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <br class=""> > <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank" class="">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a> <br class=""> _______________________________________________<br class=""> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br class=""> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" class="">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br class=""> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank" class="">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br class=""></p></div><br class=""><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br class=""><pre class="">_______________________________________________
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