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    Sure descriptive names like Comet and Bunt and clown dance and now
    Big M and eyecatcher.  All really describe the maneuver :)<br>
    2/3 (or 3/4) cuban eight or reverse cuban eight wasn't catchy
    enough.  <br>
    Sequence committee;   Lets call it a goldfish.  <br>
    FAI Sequence committee:  No that's an American name let's call it a
    comet.  Now thats cool!!<br>
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    For those that don't know my sense of humor insert tongue in cheek
    emoticon :-J<br>
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    Stuart<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/2/2015 3:16 PM, DaveL322 via
      NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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      <div>Exactly.</div>
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      <div>A roll is a roll.</div>
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      <div>A loop is a loop.</div>
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      <div>A square loop with half rollS has multiple rollS just like a
        top hat with half rollS.</div>
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      <div>Changing the name of the maneuver would make it consistent
        other maneuvers and, consistent with the maneuver description.</div>
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        <div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Regards,</div>
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        <div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Dave</div>
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        <div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Please pardon any
          spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy
          Note® 3</div>
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      -------- Original message --------<br>
      From: James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion
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      Date: 09/02/2015 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>
      To: 'Don Ramsey' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com"><donramsey@gmail.com></a>, 'General pattern
      discussion' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> <br>
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <br>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
            New Roman";color:#1F497D">It's been called that for 30+
            years. Eliminating "Roll" in the description makes works for
            me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
              New
              Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT">From
              - Cobra Roll, 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
              New
              Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT">To
              - Cobra, with 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
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Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Jim</span><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
            New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
            New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
                  New Roman"">From:</span></b><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
                New Roman""> NSRCA-discussion
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:17 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">BTW,
            why is Masters maneuver 17 call a “Cobra Roll” anyway?  It
            has nothing to do with a roll.  A better name might be
            “Cobra”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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                NSRCA-discussion [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                <b>On Behalf Of </b>DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:52 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Jon Lowe; General pattern discussion; Stuart
                Chale<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">"Loop" equals 360 degrees.  Would not
            "roll" also equal 360 degrees?<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">In AMA, 2 point roll, 4 point roll, and 8
            point roll all convey a full rotation with no change in
            direction. <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Unless AMA adopts the FAI style of
            describing rolls, it seems a roll should be a roll?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Please pardon any
                spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung
                Galaxy Note® 3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          -------- Original message --------<br>
          From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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          Date: 09/02/2015 9:35 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>
          To: NSRCA <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>,
          Stuart Chale <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:schale1@outlook.com">schale1@outlook.com</a>>
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          Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <br>
          <br>
          Just looked at the maneuver description, and it doesn't
          specify roll direction.<br>
          <br>
          Jon Lowe<br>
          <br>
          On Sep 2, 2015 8:04 AM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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          wrote:<br>
          ><br>
          > Is there a specified direction to the second portion of a
          cobra roll.  <br>
          > Roll in same direction as first half of the maneuver or
          is it pilots choice. <br>
          > M17 has a Cobra roll with 4 of 8 on each half. <br>
          > Thanks, <br>
          > Stuart <br>
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