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Sure descriptive names like Comet and Bunt and clown dance and now
Big M and eyecatcher. All really describe the maneuver :)<br>
2/3 (or 3/4) cuban eight or reverse cuban eight wasn't catchy
enough. <br>
Sequence committee; Lets call it a goldfish. <br>
FAI Sequence committee: No that's an American name let's call it a
comet. Now thats cool!!<br>
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For those that don't know my sense of humor insert tongue in cheek
emoticon :-J<br>
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Stuart<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/2/2015 3:16 PM, DaveL322 via
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<div>Exactly.</div>
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<div>A roll is a roll.</div>
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<div>A loop is a loop.</div>
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<div>A square loop with half rollS has multiple rollS just like a
top hat with half rollS.</div>
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<div>Changing the name of the maneuver would make it consistent
other maneuvers and, consistent with the maneuver description.</div>
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<div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Please pardon any
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From: James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion
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Date: 09/02/2015 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: 'Don Ramsey' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com"><donramsey@gmail.com></a>, 'General pattern
discussion' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a> <br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D">It's been called that for 30+
years. Eliminating "Roll" in the description makes works for
me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New
Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT">From
- Cobra Roll, 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New
Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT">To
- Cobra, with 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New
Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Jim</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman""> NSRCA-discussion
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">BTW,
why is Masters maneuver 17 call a “Cobra Roll” anyway? It
has nothing to do with a roll. A better name might be
“Cobra”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
NSRCA-discussion [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jon Lowe; General pattern discussion; Stuart
Chale<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"Loop" equals 360 degrees. Would not
"roll" also equal 360 degrees?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In AMA, 2 point roll, 4 point roll, and 8
point roll all convey a full rotation with no change in
direction. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unless AMA adopts the FAI style of
describing rolls, it seems a roll should be a roll?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Please pardon any
spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung
Galaxy Note® 3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Date: 09/02/2015 9:35 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: NSRCA <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Stuart Chale <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <br>
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Just looked at the maneuver description, and it doesn't
specify roll direction.<br>
<br>
Jon Lowe<br>
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> Is there a specified direction to the second portion of a
cobra roll. <br>
> Roll in same direction as first half of the maneuver or
is it pilots choice. <br>
> M17 has a Cobra roll with 4 of 8 on each half. <br>
> Thanks, <br>
> Stuart <br>
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