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<div>Exactly.</div><div><br></div><div>A roll is a roll.</div><div><br></div><div>A loop is a loop.</div><div><br></div><div>A square loop with half rollS has multiple rollS just like a top hat with half rollS.</div><div><br></div><div>Changing the name of the maneuver would make it consistent other maneuvers and, consistent with the maneuver description.</div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Regards,</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Dave</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3</div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br>Date: 09/02/2015 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>To: 'Don Ramsey' <donramsey@gmail.com>, 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <br><br><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D">It's been called that for 30+ years. Eliminating "Roll" in the description makes works for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT">From - Cobra Roll, 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT">To - Cobra, with 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Jim</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">BTW, why is Masters maneuver 17 call a “Cobra Roll” anyway? It has nothing to do with a roll. A better name might be “Cobra”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jon Lowe; General pattern discussion; Stuart Chale<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">"Loop" equals 360 degrees. Would not "roll" also equal 360 degrees?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">In AMA, 2 point roll, 4 point roll, and 8 point roll all convey a full rotation with no change in direction. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Unless AMA adopts the FAI style of describing rolls, it seems a roll should be a roll?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-outline-level:1"><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>Date: 09/02/2015 9:35 AM (GMT-05:00) <br>To: NSRCA <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>, Stuart Chale <<a href="mailto:schale1@outlook.com">schale1@outlook.com</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <br><br>Just looked at the maneuver description, and it doesn't specify roll direction.<br><br>Jon Lowe<br><br>On Sep 2, 2015 8:04 AM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Is there a specified direction to the second portion of a cobra roll. <br>> Roll in same direction as first half of the maneuver or is it pilots choice. <br>> M17 has a Cobra roll with 4 of 8 on each half. <br>> Thanks, <br>> Stuart <br>> _______________________________________________ <br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list <br>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <br>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a> <br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>