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Do they have judging criteria?<br>
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(said with tongue in cheek)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/9/2015 12:56 PM, Anthony
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<div>Can I share this with my IMAC friends?<br>
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On Jun 8, 2015, at 10:10 PM, W Anthony Abdullah via
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<div>That's what you get when the hobby you are passionate
about attracts a significant number of highly educated
"tech" types! </div>
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<div>The slack jawed and flatulence appreciation clubs I
belong to don't have nearly the number of innovative types. <br>
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Sent from my iPad</div>
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On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
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<div dir="ltr">Bet I can beat it :-) There's no way a
human can type the scores into a program faster than
they flow in automatically and sheets print :-) Even
with the very slow printer I had at Canandaigua I had
sheets in people's hands before they removed the
batteries. When I have a quicker printer I'm providing
sheets as people walk the plane back from the flight
line.
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<div>But really, that's a minor part of the whole
thing. It's really about changing the experience for
judges for the better and hopefully getting greater
judging accuracy, (the pilot experience improvements
of getting your scores earlier and having the
real-time scoreboard is just gravy). There's also a
lot to be said for reducing the task loading of being
the score keeper for a contest so you can actually sit
back and enjoy the contest environment &
camaraderie!<br>
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<div>Invite me to a contest and see! :-)</div>
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<div>Peter+</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:40 PM,
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<div>Its really tough to get rid of the shstem in
D6, seems fairly quick. Most guys cant get their
batts out of their plane or back to the pits
before they get their sheets.</div>
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<div>We are a bit spoiled in that regard, ask
anyone who has visited from out of District
where this has occured.. Mind blown.</div>
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<div>Chuck</div>
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<div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Sent
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Date: 06/08/2015 4:31 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score
Entry System - Thoughts <br>
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</span><span class="">What Mark A didn't tell you
is you need a 'Viewing Ticket' that you can only
get from Peter if you want to congregate around
the monitor showing scores immediately after a
pilot's flight... Kinda like a back stage
pass.... <br>
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</span><span class="">Just kidding, we have had
the luxury of using this system here in District
7 as it has been developed. I hate the thought
of ever going back to manual entry and waiting
for printouts!!<br>
<br>
Don<br>
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From: W Anthony Abdullah via NSRCA-discussion
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To: Peter Vogel <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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General pattern discussion <<a
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[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System
- Thoughts<br>
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</span><span class="">Wow! <br>
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It sounds amazing, can't wait to see it in
person. <br>
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On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Peter Vogel via
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wrote: <br>
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Part of the kit I bring along stands up a LOCAL
WiFi, I do not depend on a cellular connection
at all, if I have a decent connection I'll
publish scores live as they happen to <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.patternscoring.com"
target="_blank">https://www.patternscoring.com</a>
but for the actual operation of a contest I
don't need anything. Just the local WiFi I
stand up. <br>
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</span>Peter+ <br>
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<span class="">On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 1:37 PM, S.
McNickle <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Does the system require a WiFi connection or a
strong cell connection to work? <br>
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</span><span class=""> From: "Peter Vogel
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To: "Mark Atwood" < <a
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[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System
- Thoughts <br>
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</span><span class="">Thanks Mark! It's been a
lot of work, but notes like yours make it all
worthwhile! <br>
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Thrilled to be able to contribute back to the
sport I love! <br>
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</span>Peter+ <br>
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Atwood, Mark
via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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wrote: <br>
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See if this is any better…. Straight
text. <br>
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I had the privilege this weekend of using
Peter Vogel’s new electronic score entry
system this weekend. I don’t want to call it
a scoring system because that credit should
still go to Scott Smith whose scoring program
is what Peter’s system is integrated with.
Both of these gentleman have put in 100’s if
not 1000’s of hours of programming into this
effort. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
And it’s
fantastic. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So some thoughts about new
score entry system in no particular
order. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
1) It works. Period. End of
story. 25 guys who had never touched it
before not only learned it, but used it
efficiently with a 5 minute intro and sitting
down and scoring a demo flight. ZERO missed
maneuvers, no lost scores, no complaints.
NADA.<br>
<br>
2) The system actually uses
downgrade scoring. I.e. you click the 1/2pt
(or full pt) down everytime you see a
downgrade. It takes practice flight before
you realize that you need to click on
everything you see…rather than do mental math
or create a perception of the maneuver, but
once you do, it’s enlightening.<br>
<br>
3) The score range widens. This
is a good thing. It wasn’t drastic, but
rather than a long diatribe of 7’s and 8’s, if
you go look at the score sheets (I highly
suggest surfing through the <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.patternscoring.com"
target="_blank">www.patternscoring.com</a>
site) you’ll see many score sheets that
feature both 5’s and 10’s on the same page.<br>
<br>
4) More 10’s. If you don’t see a
downgrade…that 10 is just sitting there.
There’s no longer the pressure to write down a
9 simply because “no one actually flies a 10”.<br>
<br>
5) Long complex maneuvers (hour
glass for example) get the pounding they
deserve. The opportunity for downgrades in
these maneuvers is massive…and when the judge
is just clicking away, well… we get hammered.
And we should. Every missed angle, every
missed radius, the over cooked snap, etc
etc. Your 7 just became a 4.5 <br>
<br>
6) Surprisingly consistent judging
between both judges on the line. Shockingly
consistent actually. I consider that another
endorsement for the system.<br>
<br>
7) More engaged judging. This was
big for me. I personally feel like I start to
glaze over after the 8th (or worse …18th)
Masters flight in a contest. It’s very hard
to stay consistent and stay alert and not
revert to perception judging in the old paper
and pencil format. This eliminated that
completely. You’re actively engaged
throughout each maneuver and each flight.
Both physically recording downgrades and
watching intently for them. I felt it was
MUCH easier to be a good judge and an alert
judge.<br>
<br>
8) Every maneuver called out loud
for the judge, for every pilot, for every
round. This made judging the new sequences,
which I hadn’t judged yet, simple.<br>
<br>
9) You never need to look down from
the plane. Really. Never. What’s
interesting here is that you begin to notice
all the downgrades that occur in the
transition between manuevers. No more free
fixes!<br>
<br>
10) It seems to greatly reduce or
even eliminate the influence that the prior
maneuver has on the scores. I know this
shouldn’t be the case… but we all know it is.
Someone that’s flown a train wreck of 6’s
suddenly flies a clean Split S turn and think
“wow…that was pretty good…8”. On this system
you’re just clicking downgrades…that same
Split S just scored a 10. As it should have.<br>
<br>
11) Your scores are up on the big
screen, normalized to whom ever has already
flown that round, before your plane rolls to a
stop. Literally. And if you’re up first??
Well, take a picture because for the moment…
you’re winning!<br>
<br>
In summary, this will be the single biggest
advancement in scoring for pattern since the
introduction of normalization. It’s going
to take a year or two to get everyone in the
country familiar with the system (and get
systems purchased for use) before we can use
it at a Nats, but we’ll get there, and
quickly. I was extremely skeptical, for about
5 minutes. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
You’ll fear it. You’ll use it. You’ll love
it.<br>
<br>
‘nuff said. <br>
<br>
Well done Peter. Very well done.<br>
<br>
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-Mark<br>
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MARK
ATWOOD <br>
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President <br>
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Paragon
Consulting,
Inc.
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44124 <br>
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Powering The
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On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Atwood, Mark via
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wrote: <br>
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What the Heck??? <br>
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Mine didn’t come through that way at all!!
Sorry guys… I’ll see if I can repost it
cleaner. <br>
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MARK
ATWOOD <br>
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President <br>
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o. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28440%29%20229-2502"
value="+14402292502" target="_blank">(440)
229-2502</a>
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c. <a
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href="tel:%28216%29%20316-2489"
value="+12163162489" target="_blank">(216)
316-2489</a>
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e. <a
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href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"
target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>
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Paragon
Consulting,
Inc.
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5900
Landerbrook Drive, Suite 205, Cleveland Ohio,
44124 <br>
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target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com</a>
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Powering The
Digital
Experience <br>
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On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Anthony Romano
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wrote: <br>
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+1 <br>
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If you fumble through all of the weird format
issues with Mark's email there is a lot of
great comments there and just about everyone
will agree with every one. I was asked many
time when is our district going to buy
one. <br>
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<br>
<br>
Anthony <br>
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 15:25:33
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score
Entry System -
Thoughts <br>
From: <a
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target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
I had the privilege this weekend of using Peter
Vogel’s new electronic score entry system this
weekend. I don’t want to call it a scoring
system because that credit should still go to
Scott Smith whose scoring program is what
Peter’s system is integrated with. Both of
these gentleman have put in 100’s if not 1000’s
of hours of programming into this
effort. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
And it’s
fantastic. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So some thoughts about new score entry system in
no particular order.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 15:25:33 +0000<br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score
Entry System - Thoughts<br>
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I had the privilege this weekend of using Peter
Vogel’s new electronic score entry system this
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system because that credit should still go to
Scott Smith whose scoring program is what</span></div>
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