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Their system is very easy, 40% plane and tons of noise = 10 anything
else = 0<br>
<br>
I was laughed at years ago when I went to an IMAC contest with just
a 25% plane and that scar never left me :)<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/9/2015 1:09 PM, Peter Vogel via
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<div>Absolutely! Several IMAC guys out here who also fly pattern
and love the system, but I haven't been able to get the guy who
owns the IMAC scoring program to respond to me...<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:56 AM -0700,
"Anthony Cornacchione" <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Can I share this with my IMAC friends?<br>
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On Jun 8, 2015, at 10:10 PM, W Anthony Abdullah via
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<div>That's what you get when the hobby you are
passionate about attracts a significant number of
highly educated "tech" types! </div>
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<div>The slack jawed and flatulence appreciation clubs I
belong to don't have nearly the number of innovative
types. <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</div>
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On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Peter Vogel via
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<div dir="ltr">Bet I can beat it :-) There's no way
a human can type the scores into a program faster
than they flow in automatically and sheets print
:-) Even with the very slow printer I had at
Canandaigua I had sheets in people's hands before
they removed the batteries. When I have a quicker
printer I'm providing sheets as people walk the
plane back from the flight line.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But really, that's a minor part of the whole
thing. It's really about changing the
experience for judges for the better and
hopefully getting greater judging accuracy, (the
pilot experience improvements of getting your
scores earlier and having the real-time
scoreboard is just gravy). There's also a lot
to be said for reducing the task loading of
being the score keeper for a contest so you can
actually sit back and enjoy the contest
environment & camaraderie!<br>
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<div>Invite me to a contest and see! :-)</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Peter+</div>
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3:40 PM, cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <span
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<div>Its really tough to get rid of the
shstem in D6, seems fairly quick. Most
guys cant get their batts out of their
plane or back to the pits before they get
their sheets.</div>
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<div>We are a bit spoiled in that regard,
ask anyone who has visited from out of
District where this has occured.. Mind
blown.</div>
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<div>Chuck</div>
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Date: 06/08/2015 4:31 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic
Score Entry System - Thoughts <br>
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</span><span class="">What Mark A didn't
tell you is you need a 'Viewing Ticket'
that you can only get from Peter if you
want to congregate around the monitor
showing scores immediately after a pilot's
flight... Kinda like a back stage
pass.... <br>
<br>
</span><span class="">Just kidding, we have
had the luxury of using this system here
in District 7 as it has been developed. I
hate the thought of ever going back to
manual entry and waiting for printouts!!<br>
<br>
Don<br>
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To: Peter Vogel <<a
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target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>>;
General pattern discussion <<a
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[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry
System - Thoughts<br>
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</span><span class="">Wow! <br>
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It sounds amazing, can't wait to see it in
person. <br>
<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad <br>
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On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Peter Vogel
via NSRCA-discussion < <a
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wrote: <br>
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Part of the kit I bring along stands up a
LOCAL WiFi, I do not depend on a cellular
connection at all, if I have a decent
connection I'll publish scores live as
they happen to <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.patternscoring.com"
target="_blank">https://www.patternscoring.com</a>
but for the actual operation of a contest
I don't need anything. Just the local
WiFi I stand up. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span>Peter+ <br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
<span class="">On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 1:37
PM, S. McNickle <<a
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target="_blank">nelson_jett@comcast.net</a>>
wrote: <br>
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Does the system require a WiFi connection
or a strong cell connection to
work? <br>
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<br>
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<br>
<br>
</span><span class=""> From: "Peter
Vogel via NSRCA-discussion" < <a
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To: "Mark Atwood" < <a
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target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>>,
"General pattern discussion" <
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Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015
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[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry
System - Thoughts <br>
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</span><span class="">Thanks Mark! It's
been a lot of work, but notes like yours
make it all worthwhile! <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thrilled to be able to contribute back to
the sport I love! <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span>Peter+ <br>
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<div class="h5"> <br>
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Atwood,
Mark via NSRCA-discussion
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wrote: <br>
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<br>
See if this is any better…. Straight
text. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I had the privilege this weekend of
using Peter Vogel’s new electronic score
entry system this weekend. I don’t want
to call it a scoring system because that
credit should still go to Scott Smith
whose scoring program is what Peter’s
system is integrated with. Both of
these gentleman have put in 100’s if not
1000’s of hours of programming into this
effort. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
And it’s
fantastic. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So some thoughts about
new score entry system in no particular
order. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
1) It works. Period. End
of story. 25 guys who had never
touched it before not only learned it,
but used it efficiently with a 5 minute
intro and sitting down and scoring a
demo flight. ZERO missed maneuvers, no
lost scores, no complaints. NADA.<br>
<br>
2) The system actually uses
downgrade scoring. I.e. you click the
1/2pt (or full pt) down everytime you
see a downgrade. It takes practice
flight before you realize that you need
to click on everything you see…rather
than do mental math or create a
perception of the maneuver, but once you
do, it’s enlightening.<br>
<br>
3) The score range widens.
This is a good thing. It wasn’t
drastic, but rather than a long diatribe
of 7’s and 8’s, if you go look at the
score sheets (I highly suggest surfing
through the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.patternscoring.com"
target="_blank">www.patternscoring.com</a>
site) you’ll see many score sheets that
feature both 5’s and 10’s on the same
page.<br>
<br>
4) More 10’s. If you don’t
see a downgrade…that 10 is just sitting
there. There’s no longer the pressure
to write down a 9 simply because “no one
actually flies a 10”.<br>
<br>
5) Long complex maneuvers
(hour glass for example) get the
pounding they deserve. The opportunity
for downgrades in these maneuvers is
massive…and when the judge is just
clicking away, well… we get hammered.
And we should. Every missed angle,
every missed radius, the over cooked
snap, etc etc. Your 7 just became a
4.5 <br>
<br>
6) Surprisingly consistent
judging between both judges on the
line. Shockingly consistent actually.
I consider that another endorsement for
the system.<br>
<br>
7) More engaged judging.
This was big for me. I personally feel
like I start to glaze over after the 8th
(or worse …18th) Masters flight in a
contest. It’s very hard to stay
consistent and stay alert and not revert
to perception judging in the old paper
and pencil format. This eliminated
that completely. You’re actively
engaged throughout each maneuver and
each flight. Both physically recording
downgrades and watching intently for
them. I felt it was MUCH easier to be a
good judge and an alert judge.<br>
<br>
8) Every maneuver called out
loud for the judge, for every pilot, for
every round. This made judging the new
sequences, which I hadn’t judged yet,
simple.<br>
<br>
9) You never need to look
down from the plane. Really.
Never. What’s interesting here is
that you begin to notice all the
downgrades that occur in the transition
between manuevers. No more free fixes!<br>
<br>
10) It seems to greatly reduce
or even eliminate the influence that the
prior maneuver has on the scores. I
know this shouldn’t be the case… but we
all know it is. Someone that’s flown a
train wreck of 6’s suddenly flies a
clean Split S turn and think “wow…that
was pretty good…8”. On this system
you’re just clicking downgrades…that
same Split S just scored a 10. As it
should have.<br>
<br>
11) Your scores are up on the
big screen, normalized to whom ever has
already flown that round, before your
plane rolls to a stop. Literally. And
if you’re up first?? Well, take a
picture because for the moment… you’re
winning!<br>
<br>
In summary, this will be the single
biggest advancement in scoring for
pattern since the introduction of
normalization. It’s going to take a
year or two to get everyone in the
country familiar with the system (and
get systems purchased for use) before we
can use it at a Nats, but we’ll get
there, and quickly. I was extremely
skeptical, for about 5 minutes. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
You’ll fear it. You’ll use it. You’ll
love it.<br>
<br>
‘nuff said. <br>
<br>
Well done Peter. Very well done.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-Mark<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
MARK
ATWOOD <br>
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<br>
<br>
President <br>
<br>
o. <a
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value="+14402292502" target="_blank">(440)
229-2502</a>
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c. <a
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href="tel:%28216%29%20316-2489"
value="+12163162489" target="_blank">(216)
316-2489</a>
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e. <a
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href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"
target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>
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Paragon
Consulting,
Inc.
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<br>
5900
Landerbrook Drive, Suite 205, Cleveland
Ohio, 44124 <br>
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Powering The
Digital
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On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Atwood,
Mark via NSRCA-discussion
< <a
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote: <br>
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<br>
What the Heck??? <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Mine didn’t come through that way at
all!! Sorry guys… I’ll see if I can
repost it cleaner. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
MARK
ATWOOD <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
President
<br>
<br>
o. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28440%29%20229-2502"
value="+14402292502" target="_blank">(440)
229-2502</a>
<br>
<br>
c. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28216%29%20316-2489"
value="+12163162489" target="_blank">(216)
316-2489</a>
<br>
<br>
e. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"
target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Paragon Consulting,
Inc.
<br>
<br>
5900
Landerbrook Drive, Suite 205, Cleveland
Ohio,
44124 <br>
<br>
<a
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href="http://www.paragon-inc.com"
target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com</a>
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<br>
Powering The Digital
Experience
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On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Anthony
Romano via NSRCA-discussion
< <a
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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wrote: <br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
+1 <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
If you fumble through all of the weird
format issues with Mark's email there is
a lot of great comments there and just
about everyone will agree with every
one. I was asked many time when is our
district going to buy
one. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Anthony <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 15:25:33
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic
Score Entry System -
Thoughts <br>
From: <a
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target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I had the privilege this weekend of using
Peter Vogel’s new electronic score entry
system this weekend. I don’t want to call
it a scoring system because that credit
should still go to Scott Smith whose
scoring program is what Peter’s system is
integrated with. Both of these gentleman
have put in 100’s if not 1000’s of hours
of programming into this
effort. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
And it’s
fantastic. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So some thoughts about new score entry
system in no particular
order. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 15:25:33 +0000<br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic
Score Entry System - Thoughts<br>
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I had the privilege this weekend of using
Peter Vogel’s new electronic score entry
system this weekend. I don’t want to call
it a scoring system because that credit
should still go to Scott Smith whose
scoring program is what</span></div>
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