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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The different wavelengths cause asymmetric forces . . . <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming plug and Failsafe<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>For the purists who do not want asymmetric drag-producing exterior elements, one could install an arming plug on each side of the aircraft; green LED on the right side arming plug and red LED on the right side arming plug. Then you could tell you had low voltage no matter which way the airplane was going.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On May 27, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What I think would be really cool is an LED on a deans arming plug so that plug lights up when it's in and armed. Put different colors based on voltage and you have a cheap check for accidentally using a discharged pack.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Peter+<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Steve Hannah via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If all you want is an external indication of armed packs, this is really easy to do. I just installed a blinding green LED on mine . I have mine connected to my RX on an unused channel. Since I use the Mezon 90 with BEC it will be illuminated when either my main packs are connected or if just my backup is powering the RX. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I got the LED (actually several colors to try), mount and a 270 ohm resistor from sparkfun and allelectronics. Sparkfun's LED's are brighter than allelectronics. I can see the darn thing 150m out!<br><br>Use this tool to figure out what you need for a resistor. <a href="http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz" target="_blank">http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On May 27, 2015, at 18:42, Jas via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So a combination red/orange/green led for 38v, 40v and 42v?<br><br>Sent from my iP<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On May 27, 2015, at 9:25 PM, ronlock--- via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I'm in if you have any thoughts of marketing one.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>In mean time, how much fuss is it to come up with a part number<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>for the resistor & LED? Is resistor gonna get hot?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>This raises question of at what voltages will LED be on?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>We want it on, in the case pilot runs batts way too low, as<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>in loaded a used set and got a third of the way thru sequence.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I guess nothing is as simple as it first appears.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>In my Bravo, given large canopy, LED will have to mount in front of<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>firewall, or behind canopy.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I'm still interested in an LED that would confirm installed batts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>are above 20v, to prevent installing a lightly or heavily used set.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Later, Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>"Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Vicente Bortone" <<a href="mailto:vincebrc@gmail.com" target="_blank">vincebrc@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:57:16 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming plug and Failsafe<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>In its simplest form, It's just a resistor and an LED.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>On May 19, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Vicente Bortone <<a href="mailto:vincebrc@gmail.com" target="_blank">vincebrc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I agree with Ed. I think the 50 ft could be increases to 100 ft. It is just amazing how bright is that LED. Ok Ed, You got a new product to make. The ARMING LED. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:45 AM Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="https://web.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Not with the LEDs I use. You can see them at 50 feet on a bright day.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>On May 19, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Jay Marshall via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="https://web.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>No - Difficult to reliably see LED in bright sunlight ….</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bradley Hand ITC";color:#1F497D'>Jay Marshall</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="https://web.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org');" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jas via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming plug and Failsafe</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Nice idea, light weight and probably easy to do. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Sent from my iP<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On May 19, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Rudy via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="https://web.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow",sans-serif'>All this rhetoric is making us aware of electrical safety issues in pattern flying. That’s good in itself whether you use an arming device or use a switch on your radio. Redundant systems: arming and radio switch are safer still. They both work when used.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow",sans-serif'>Someone mentioned how can you tell if the plan is energized. Hmm, how about an LED light at the top of the plan just behind the canopy that is lit when the system is energized. Oh my, that’s another worm for the cam.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow",sans-serif'>¿Por Qué No?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a 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