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    I agree. I also agree that most pattern flyers are reasonably
    cautious and reasonably informed.<br>
    <br>
    There are many facets to a safe operation and most of us follow most
    of them. Any accident is a combination of at least two errors at the
    same time. <br>
    Personally I use an arming plug or an external bullet, as much for
    convenience on the flight line as anything else. I also make sure my
    failsafe is doing the right thing. I also use a throttle cut which
    is always on unless taxiing, testing or flying. I also keep my thumb
    holding the throttle in a retarded position. I suppose it is
    possible to still cause a problem but I feel I've taken all the
    steps I can to prevent it.<br>
    But individual examples of safe or safer operation are beside the
    point. I am almost always behind or beside my model pre and post
    flight. However I may be in front of someone has decided that a
    throttle cut alone, used sparingly, is good enough for him. It's not
    good enough for me when my body is on the line because he is
    convinced his process is safe enough. Not many of these guys but all
    it takes is one.<br>
    I keep noting that there are two rules proposals on the table for
    the CB to consider. One requires a physical connect/disconnect but
    does not require external evidence of disconnection. Personally I
    feel this does not go far enough. The second requires a failsafe
    check which is the more important of the two rule proposals.<br>
    As the subject says, this is about arming plugs but it really should
    be about general flight line safety and what we can do to promote
    it. You haven't seen any rules like the ones that would generated be
    after a mishap that sends a 3000 watt electric slicing machine
    careening into a crowd of people. Just because it hasn't happened,
    sometime it will and when it does we, the hobby, had best be able to
    show that good safety rules were in effect. Safety rules like the
    ones we are proposing and will hopefully continue to evolve are
    intended to increase the MTBF(mean time between failure), hopefully
    to a point where the only remotely possible problem would be due to
    a willful disregard of the rules. <br>
    <br>
    Cheers<br>
    John<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/18/2015 7:09 PM, Dave Lockhart
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">John,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
            point was simply that “safe” is a relative term.  Adding an
            arming plug requirement, or a physical disconnect
            requirement does not make a plane “safe”.  Safer in some
            instances, but with an additional failure point.  Most of
            the safety concerns / accidents / near misses, etc, I have
            witnessed would not have been any different if an arming
            plug was in use.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
            far as failsafe, it also won’t make an airplane “safe”, but,
            from my experience, if fail safe checks were implemented,
            that would do more to make the airplanes safe than adding an
            arming plug.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                John Gayer [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">mailto:jgghome@comcast.net</a>] <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 17, 2015 11:48 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Dave Lockhart; General pattern discussion<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">So...since no
          safety rule can totally prevent accidents, we should have
          none?<br>
          I suppose you are against seatbelts, airbags and helmets
          because they don't prevent all vehicle deaths?<br>
          <br>
          I don't see the point in conjuring up ridiculous rule
          possibilities to put down reasonable safety rules.<br>
          Failsafe checks are intended to be educational rather than
          punitive so where's the harm?<br>
          Also, there is no rule being proposed that mandates any arming
          system at all but you must demonstrate a physical disconnect
          of the motor battery. I consider an arming plug/connection  to
          be by far the easiest and safest way to satisfy the proposed
          rule.<br>
          <br>
          John<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 5/17/2015 11:47 AM, Dave Lockhart via
            NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So…..if
              we mandate arming systems….our airplanes will no longer be
              capable of causing carnage?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Maybe
              we should require all planes have an impact absorbing foam
              spinner and a shroud around the prop to make sure the
              spinning thing on front can’t cut anyone?  Of course the
              kinetic energy of the moving plane will still be
              substantial enough to cause carnage….so maybe a
              combination of speed and weight limit to restrict the
              kinetic energy level to a point that it is deemed “safe”?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Accidents
              are accidents….and more likely to happen when safe
              procedures are not followed.  Our airplanes will always be
              dangerous and capable of causing carnage….just like the
              cars we drive to the field in.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Requiring
              the fail safe be demonstrated is a far better idea….but it
              still won’t protect against someone bumping the throttle
              stick of an airplane that passes a fail safe check and has
              an arming system in it.  To my recollection, I’d say about
              20% of the fail safe checks at the 2011 WC were not
              successful on the first attempt….and a surprising number
              of the pilots needed assistance programming there radio to
              make the failsafe work.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dave</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                  NSRCA-discussion [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronald Van Putte via
                  NSRCA-discussion<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 17, 2015 1:09 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Yeah!  Even if we are capable of causing
            carnage with our unsafe airplane, it’s nobody else’s
            business.  Don’t mess with my airplane!  <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Ron (with tongue in cheek)<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On May 17, 2015, at 11:30 AM,
                    Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Pattern
                          is turning into a box checking, over-regulated
                          government operation.<br>
                          <br>
                          -Keith Hoard<br>
                          -Sent from my Windows Phone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:<span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Vicente
                          Bortone via NSRCA-discussion</a></span><span
                        style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialMS"><br>
                      </span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent:<span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">‎5/‎17/‎2015
                        9:04</span><span
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                      </span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To:<span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net">David Harmon</a>;<span
                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General
                          pattern discussion</a></span><span
                        style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialMS"><br>
                      </span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject:<span
                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">[NSRCA-discussion] 
                        Arming device</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialMS">TAG
                        IN.....<br>
                        <br>
                        Hi Dave,<br>
                        <br>
                        I started to do that in my contest in Kansas
                        City last year.  This year in pilot meeting I
                        said. " If you don't do it the first round will
                        be zeroed.  Well I think worked well"<br>
                        <br>
                        John F.<br>
                        <br>
                        You just made my day. I do more or less the same
                        you do. I review a lot of projects. Clearly will
                        all here analyzed the system and we know the
                        steps could be used to mitigate a possible
                        situation. That is the end of discussion in
                        cases like this. Just give me a real possibility
                        of tag in and tag out.<br>
                        <br>
                        Jon,<br>
                        <br>
                        Good research. Now you have to find what is the
                        code that applies to model airplanes. I knew
                        that there is no one specific code. However
                        existing codes applies for similar systems. If
                        all if them arrives to the same conclusion we
                        will be in better shape if we just follow the
                        intent of all codes you can find. Now try to
                        find the specifics for a system similar to the
                        one we have. I already know the answer so I
                        don't need to ask our friend Google.<br>
                        <br>
                        TAG OUT<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          On Saturday, May 16, 2015, David Harmon via
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                            style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:ArialMS">With
                            as much talk that has gone on and on
                            andonandonandonandon about this<br>
                            arming device......puff..puff....not much
                            percentage.<br>
                            Especially when it is so easy to check.....<br>
                            Before the first takeoff of each pilot on
                            the first round....the helper<br>
                            holds the plane off the ground and the pilot
                            turns off the transmitter.<br>
                            The judges can verify that the motor does
                            not start.<br>
                            Easy....no drama.<br>
                            <br>
                            Oh wait....this was never done with
                            glow....but I HAVE seen several guys<br>
                            chawed up by a howling YS.<br>
                            One time a guys airplane chased him in a
                            circle as he was trying to catch<br>
                            it...he had one leg in front of one wing and
                            for an old guy he moved  pretty<br>
                            quick.<br>
                            I can't describe how long I laughed about
                            that incident.<br>
                            <br>
                            In the end....my opinion is checking the
                            fail-safe function should be a must<br>
                            at each contest.<br>
                            <br>
                            David Harmon<br>
                            Sperry, OK<br>
                            <br>
                            -----Original Message-----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            Of Ron Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion<br>
                            Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:58 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            To: General pattern discussion<br>
                            Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming
                            device</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            have seen too many situations where an ID10T
                            error caused serious damage<br>
                            that would have been precluded by the use of
                            a shorting plug.<br>
                            <br>
                            What percentage of pilots’ transmitters
                            would fail the fail safe test?<br>
                            Anybody?<br>
                            <br>
                            Ron Van Putte<br>
                            <br>
                            On May 16, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Whodaddy
                            Whodaddy via NSRCA-discussion<br>
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                            wrote:<br>
                            <br>
                            > Seems like we have to many people with
                            to much time on their hands sitting<br>
                            around fantasizing about what might happen
                            if .... Really.... if u cant<br>
                            control the aircraft in all aspects then u
                            prolly shouldn't have one... Let<br>
                            alone legislate what i need to be doing with
                            mine...<br>
                            ><br>
                            ><br>
                            > Gary<br>
                            ></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            Sent from my iPhone<br>
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                            On May 16, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Jon Lowe via
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                            wrote:<br>
                            >><br>
                            >> Code doesn't apply to model
                            airplanes.  Cars do not disconnect the<br>
                            battery, except on race cars with a
                            disconnect switch in case of a wreck.<br>
                            Normal road cars do not, and modern cars
                            leave a lot of things connected<br>
                            when the ignition is off.  A lot of cars
                            have underhood fans that run for<br>
                            awhile after the car is shut off.<br>
                            >><br>
                            >> If this was a big issue, AMA would
                            address it with all model aircraft,<br>
                            not just pattern. Electric is common in
                            helis, controline, etc. We are over<br>
                            killing this something awful.<br>
                            >><br>
                            >> Jon<br>
                            >><br>
                            >>> On May 16, 2015 2:11 PM,
                            Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion<br>
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                            wrote:<br>
                            >>><br>
                            >>> the ignition switch.<br>
                            >>><br>
                            >>>> On Saturday, May 16, 2015,
                            Vicente Bortone <<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:vincebrc@gmail.com">vincebrc@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
                            >>>><br>
                            >>>><br>
                            >>>><br>
                            >>>>> On Saturday, May 16,
                            2015, Del R via NSRCA-discussion<br>
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
                            >>>>><br>
                            >>>>> The nice thing about
                            being brought up around GUNS.. It teaches<br>
                            >>>>> people to respect it
                            always as though it is loaded and cocked<br>
                            >>>>> ready to deliver its
                            physical life altering energy!!!.. < tic
                            ><br>
                            >>>>><br>
                            >>>>><br>
                            >>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>> ----- Original
                            Message -----<br>
                            >>>>>> From: David Cook
                            via NSRCA-discussion<br>
                            >>>>>> To: Jim Woodward ;
                            General pattern discussion<br>
                            >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May
                            16, 2015 10:48 AM<br>
                            >>>>>> Subject: Re:
                            [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device<br>
                            >>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>> Just to open the
                            can of worms from the other end.<br>
                            >>>>>> Now that I have
                            seen the damage a runaway can do to a pool
                            table even<br>
                            with an external arming device, I have begun
                            to make it a common practice to<br>
                            remove the prop from the electric planes any
                            time I am not at the field<br>
                            flying. Store the ammunition and the pin
                            under two different locks. How easy<br>
                            is it to be careless in the shop or
                            transporting a plane. This thread could<br>
                            just explode with stories of mishaps we have
                            made or come way too close to.<br>
                            >>>>>> You just can't be
                            too carful with these things!!!<br>
                            >>>>>> DC<br>
                            >>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>> On Sat, May 16,
                            2015 at 10:21 AM, Jim Woodward via
                            NSRCA-discussion<br>
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            wrote:<br>
                            >>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>> ... Going
                            electric induces a mental physchosis that
                            requires<br>
                            >>>>>>> everyone else
                            to switch, then go and change the rules for
                            glow<br>
                            >>>>>>> :)<br>
                            >>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>> Sent from my
                            iPhone<br>
                            >>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>> On May 16,
                            2015, at 9:38 AM, Keith Hoard via
                            NSRCA-discussion<br>
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            wrote:<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>> I think the
                            YS guys should have their caller remove the
                            fuel tank<br>
                            and glow plug before picking up the plane
                            and exiting the runway  . . .<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>> From:
                            NSRCA-discussion<br>
                            >>>>>>>> [<a
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                              href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:</a><a
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                            On Behalf Of<br>
                            >>>>>>>>
                            precisionaero via NSRCA-discussion<br>
                            >>>>>>>> Sent:
                            Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:38 AM<br>
                            >>>>>>>> To: General
                            pattern discussion<br>
                            >>>>>>>> Subject:
                            Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>> I think we
                            should reconfigure a YS engine to drive a
                            generator to<br>
                            supply electricity to the electric motor.<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>> Sent via
                            the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G
                            LTE smartphone<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>> --------
                            Original message --------<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>> From: Peter
                            Vogel via NSRCA-discussion<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>
                            Date:05/16/2015 09:31 (GMT-05:00)<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>> To: General
                            pattern discussion ,<span
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                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</a>,
                            David<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>> Subject:
                            Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>> I think
                            we're all in agreement, which is why the
                            rules proposal we<br>
                            put forth requires a *physical* break in the
                            circuit!<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>> Sent from
                            Outlook<br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>> On Sat,
                            May 16, 2015 at 6:16 AM -0700, "ronlock---
                            via<br>
                            NSRCA-discussion" <<a
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                            wrote:<br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>> I'm in
                            agreement.<br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>> Ron
                            Lockhart<br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>>
                            ________________________________<br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>> From:
                            "David via NSRCA-discussion"<br>
                            >>>>>>>>> <<a
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                            >>>>>>>>> To:<span
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                              href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
                            >>>>>>>>> Sent:
                            Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:14:21 AM<br>
                            >>>>>>>>>
                            Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device<br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>> I'm not
                            trying to bring up a sore subject but this
                            has been<br>
                            bugging me since it was up a while back. I
                            am the senior electronics<br>
                            technician in the plasma physics department
                            at the University of Wisconsin.<br>
                            About a third of what I do is make interlock
                            circuits for the Madison<br>
                            Symmetric Torus. I know that the best way of
                            keeping things safe is to<br>
                            remove the potential energy from a circuit
                            to keep bad things from<br>
                            happening. The problem with depending on a
                            circuit such as the emcotec type<br>
                            of disconnect or to just relying solely on
                            the radio and ESC to keep things<br>
                            safe is failure modes. You can plan for all
                            different failure types but to<br>
                            make it a circuit that isn't a lead brick
                            being added to the plane there are<br>
                            compromises that have to be made. This leads
                            to designing systems that may<br>
                            deal with only the most common types of
                            failures. For example most common<br>
                            diodes and tantalum capacitors usually fail
                            in a shorted mode, but not<br>
                            always. Many carbon resistors will decrease
                            in résistance just prior to<br>
                            opening up. You get the idea, there are just
                            so many possibilities and<br>
                            combinations that in my opinion the only
                            real way to safe a power system is<br>
                            to disconnect the energy source. Ok, now I
                            feel better that I said<br>
                            something.<br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>> David<br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>>
                            _______________________________________________<br>
                            >>>>>>>>>
                            NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>
                            >>>>>>>>><span
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                            >>>>>>>>><span
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                            >>>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>>
                            _______________________________________________<br>
                            >>>>>>>>
                            NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>
                            >>>>>>>><span
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                            >>>>>>>><span
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                            >>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>><br>
                            >>>>>>>
                            _______________________________________________<br>
                            >>>>>>>
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                            >>> --<br>
                            >>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
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