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So...since no safety rule can totally prevent accidents, we should
have none?<br>
I suppose you are against seatbelts, airbags and helmets because
they don't prevent all vehicle deaths?<br>
<br>
I don't see the point in conjuring up ridiculous rule possibilities
to put down reasonable safety rules.<br>
Failsafe checks are intended to be educational rather than punitive
so where's the harm?<br>
Also, there is no rule being proposed that mandates any arming
system at all but you must demonstrate a physical disconnect of the
motor battery. I consider an arming plug/connection to be by far
the easiest and safest way to satisfy the proposed rule.<br>
<br>
John<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/17/2015 11:47 AM, Dave Lockhart
via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So…..if
we mandate arming systems….our airplanes will no longer be
capable of causing carnage?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Maybe
we should require all planes have an impact absorbing foam
spinner and a shroud around the prop to make sure the
spinning thing on front can’t cut anyone? Of course the
kinetic energy of the moving plane will still be substantial
enough to cause carnage….so maybe a combination of speed and
weight limit to restrict the kinetic energy level to a point
that it is deemed “safe”?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Accidents
are accidents….and more likely to happen when safe
procedures are not followed. Our airplanes will always be
dangerous and capable of causing carnage….just like the cars
we drive to the field in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Requiring
the fail safe be demonstrated is a far better idea….but it
still won’t protect against someone bumping the throttle
stick of an airplane that passes a fail safe check and has
an arming system in it. To my recollection, I’d say about
20% of the fail safe checks at the 2011 WC were not
successful on the first attempt….and a surprising number of
the pilots needed assistance programming there radio to make
the failsafe work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 17, 2015 1:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yeah! Even if we are capable of causing
carnage with our unsafe airplane, it’s nobody else’s business.
Don’t mess with my airplane! <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ron (with tongue in cheek)<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Pattern
is turning into a box checking, over-regulated
government operation.<br>
<br>
-Keith Hoard<br>
-Sent from my Windows Phone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net">David Harmon</a>;<span
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Arming device</span><span
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialMS","serif"">TAG
IN.....<br>
<br>
Hi Dave,<br>
<br>
I started to do that in my contest in Kansas City
last year. This year in pilot meeting I said. "
If you don't do it the first round will be
zeroed. Well I think worked well"<br>
<br>
John F.<br>
<br>
You just made my day. I do more or less the same
you do. I review a lot of projects. Clearly will
all here analyzed the system and we know the steps
could be used to mitigate a possible situation.
That is the end of discussion in cases like this.
Just give me a real possibility of tag in and tag
out.<br>
<br>
Jon,<br>
<br>
Good research. Now you have to find what is the
code that applies to model airplanes. I knew that
there is no one specific code. However existing
codes applies for similar systems. If all if them
arrives to the same conclusion we will be in
better shape if we just follow the intent of all
codes you can find. Now try to find the specifics
for a system similar to the one we have. I already
know the answer so I don't need to ask our friend
Google.<br>
<br>
TAG OUT<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<br>
On Saturday, May 16, 2015, David Harmon via
NSRCA-discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialMS","serif"">With
as much talk that has gone on and on
andonandonandonandon about this<br>
arming device......puff..puff....not much
percentage.<br>
Especially when it is so easy to check.....<br>
Before the first takeoff of each pilot on the
first round....the helper<br>
holds the plane off the ground and the pilot
turns off the transmitter.<br>
The judges can verify that the motor does not
start.<br>
Easy....no drama.<br>
<br>
Oh wait....this was never done with
glow....but I HAVE seen several guys<br>
chawed up by a howling YS.<br>
One time a guys airplane chased him in a
circle as he was trying to catch<br>
it...he had one leg in front of one wing and
for an old guy he moved pretty<br>
quick.<br>
I can't describe how long I laughed about that
incident.<br>
<br>
In the end....my opinion is checking the
fail-safe function should be a must<br>
at each contest.<br>
<br>
David Harmon<br>
Sperry, OK<br>
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-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialMS","serif"">From:
NSRCA-discussion [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:</a><a
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialMS","serif"">Behalf
Of Ron Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion<br>
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:58 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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To: General pattern discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming device<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"ArialMS","serif"">I
have seen too many situations where an ID10T
error caused serious damage<br>
that would have been precluded by the use of a
shorting plug.<br>
<br>
What percentage of pilots’ transmitters would
fail the fail safe test?<br>
Anybody?<br>
<br>
Ron Van Putte<br>
<br>
On May 16, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Whodaddy Whodaddy
via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<br>
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> Seems like we have to many people with to
much time on their hands sitting<br>
around fantasizing about what might happen if
.... Really.... if u cant<br>
control the aircraft in all aspects then u
prolly shouldn't have one... Let<br>
alone legislate what i need to be doing with
mine...<br>
><br>
><br>
> Gary<br>
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On May 16, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Jon Lowe via
NSRCA-discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Code doesn't apply to model
airplanes. Cars do not disconnect the<br>
battery, except on race cars with a disconnect
switch in case of a wreck.<br>
Normal road cars do not, and modern cars leave
a lot of things connected<br>
when the ignition is off. A lot of cars have
underhood fans that run for<br>
awhile after the car is shut off.<br>
>><br>
>> If this was a big issue, AMA would
address it with all model aircraft,<br>
not just pattern. Electric is common in helis,
controline, etc. We are over<br>
killing this something awful.<br>
>><br>
>> Jon<br>
>><br>
>>> On May 16, 2015 2:11 PM, Vicente
Bortone via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> the ignition switch.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> On Saturday, May 16, 2015,
Vicente Bortone <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vincebrc@gmail.com">vincebrc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> On Saturday, May 16,
2015, Del R via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The nice thing about
being brought up around GUNS.. It teaches<br>
>>>>> people to respect it
always as though it is loaded and cocked<br>
>>>>> ready to deliver its
physical life altering energy!!!.. < tic
><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> ----- Original
Message -----<br>
>>>>>> From: David Cook via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
>>>>>> To: Jim Woodward ;
General pattern discussion<br>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May
16, 2015 10:48 AM<br>
>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Arming device<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Just to open the can
of worms from the other end.<br>
>>>>>> Now that I have seen
the damage a runaway can do to a pool table
even<br>
with an external arming device, I have begun
to make it a common practice to<br>
remove the prop from the electric planes any
time I am not at the field<br>
flying. Store the ammunition and the pin under
two different locks. How easy<br>
is it to be careless in the shop or
transporting a plane. This thread could<br>
just explode with stories of mishaps we have
made or come way too close to.<br>
>>>>>> You just can't be too
carful with these things!!!<br>
>>>>>> DC<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 16,
2015 at 10:21 AM, Jim Woodward via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ... Going
electric induces a mental physchosis that
requires<br>
>>>>>>> everyone else to
switch, then go and change the rules for glow<br>
>>>>>>> :)<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Sent from my
iPhone<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On May 16,
2015, at 9:38 AM, Keith Hoard via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> I think the
YS guys should have their caller remove the
fuel tank<br>
and glow plug before picking up the plane and
exiting the runway . . .<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> From:
NSRCA-discussion<br>
>>>>>>>> [<a
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:</a><a
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf Of<br>
>>>>>>>> precisionaero
via NSRCA-discussion<br>
>>>>>>>> Sent:
Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:38 AM<br>
>>>>>>>> To: General
pattern discussion<br>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Arming device<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> I think we
should reconfigure a YS engine to drive a
generator to<br>
supply electricity to the electric motor.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Sent via the
Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE
smartphone<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> --------
Original message --------<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> From: Peter
Vogel via NSRCA-discussion<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>
Date:05/16/2015 09:31 (GMT-05:00)<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> To: General
pattern discussion ,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</a>,
David<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Arming device<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> I think we're
all in agreement, which is why the rules
proposal we<br>
put forth requires a *physical* break in the
circuit!<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Sent from
Outlook<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat,
May 16, 2015 at 6:16 AM -0700, "ronlock--- via<br>
NSRCA-discussion" <<a
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> I'm in
agreement.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Ron
Lockhart<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>
________________________________<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> From:
"David via NSRCA-discussion"<br>
>>>>>>>>> <<a
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>>>>>>>>> Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Arming device<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
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>>>>>>>>> I'm not
trying to bring up a sore subject but this has
been<br>
bugging me since it was up a while back. I am
the senior electronics<br>
technician in the plasma physics department at
the University of Wisconsin.<br>
About a third of what I do is make interlock
circuits for the Madison<br>
Symmetric Torus. I know that the best way of
keeping things safe is to<br>
remove the potential energy from a circuit to
keep bad things from<br>
happening. The problem with depending on a
circuit such as the emcotec type<br>
of disconnect or to just relying solely on the
radio and ESC to keep things<br>
safe is failure modes. You can plan for all
different failure types but to<br>
make it a circuit that isn't a lead brick
being added to the plane there are<br>
compromises that have to be made. This leads
to designing systems that may<br>
deal with only the most common types of
failures. For example most common<br>
diodes and tantalum capacitors usually fail in
a shorted mode, but not<br>
always. Many carbon resistors will decrease in
résistance just prior to<br>
opening up. You get the idea, there are just
so many possibilities and<br>
combinations that in my opinion the only real
way to safe a power system is<br>
to disconnect the energy source. Ok, now I
feel better that I said<br>
something.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> David<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
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>>>> --<br>
>>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>
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>>> --<br>
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