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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: anthonyr105@hotmail.com<br>To: wayg2013@gmail.com; davel322@comcast.net<br>Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Matt Finley ( Arming Plug )<br>Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:30:41 -0500<br><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Neither an arming plug or Failsafe would have helped that situation. We can't legislate for every failure mode. Conscientious participants will be the best solution.<div><br></div><div>Anthony<br><br><div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">To: DaveL322@comcast.net; nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 15:25:09 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Matt Finley ( Arming Plug )<br>From: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br><br>
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<div>Saw it last year where the contest was frustrated and walk of the flight
line before plane was retrieved. </div>
<div>He inadvertently hit the throttle and plane went airborne...for a few
seconds and crashed in on the other side of runway fortunately.</div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Point is it doesn’t matter how well the system is
armed/disarmed stuff can happen. It takes a level head and common sense to
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Dave, point well state on the startup up of
IC’s. Has happened to me when throttle was nearly wide open.
Thankfully I still have all my digits.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Smooth FLying...</font></div>
<div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Wayne</font></div>
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<div style=""><b>From:</b> <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 23, 2015 11:05 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="jerry@buddengineering.com" href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com">Budd Engineering</a> ; <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> ;
<a title="rcfin02@msn.com" href="mailto:rcfin02@msn.com">Matthew Finley</a> </div>
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<div>How many runaways have happened with electrics at pattern contests?
Since maybe 2008 when substantial numbers of electrics were being used?
Personally, I have never seen one.</div>
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<div>How many IC engines have I seen inadvertently started at half or full
throttle since 2008? I have personally seen several.</div>
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<div>Have there been instances of of arming plugs and wiring fail?
Yes.</div>
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<div>A lot of things could go wrong resulting in a potential safety hazard with
IC or electric patterns planes. Having a safe procedure and sticking to it
100% is the issue.....accidents happens when procedures are not followed.
Arming plugs themselves do not make electrics safe....they do introduce another
failure point.</div>
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<div> </div>Regards,
<div>Dave</div>
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<div>Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3</div><br><br>
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<div>From: Budd Engineering via NSRCA-discussion
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<div>Date:02/23/2015 11:50 AM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: Matthew Finley <rcfin02@msn.com>, General pattern discussion
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<div>At nearly every contest I've attended since I started flying electric in
pattern (the 2004 Nats in Masters) I've seen at least one occurrence where
someone retrieved a plane without removing an arming plug first. Usually
the pilot reminds the person to do it while they're carrying the plane back or
as they're setting it down somewhere. It happens with my planes too and I
make sure they switch the receiver off and then I remove my canopy and
disconnect the battery directly. But before they even get that far I've
taken the other steps to make sure there's virtually no chance the motor is
going to run.</div>
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<div>My point is this. A layered approach is the only way I've found to
effectively mitigate this particular risk to the levels of safety that you
claim. Relying on someone to remove an arming plug is not a complete
panacea and may lend a false sense of security that the motor system has been
de-energized, when in fact it may not have been. There's many ways to
manage the risk to the desired level, the use of an arming plug is one, and may
not necessarily be the best.</div>
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<div>Jerry<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Feb 23, 2015, at 5:29 AM, Matthew Finley via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<div dir="ltr"><b>I use the Ultra Deans stlye Arming Plug from F3A Unlimited,
and It works very well. I would gather it provides you with a 99 % dagree of
confidence that your caller , plane carrier , yourself, or anyone else will
not be harmed. Yes... I do agree that there is a miniscuel chance that a pilot
/ caller could forget to unplug the safety, however I feel most pilots that
have been doing it a while is like tying your shoes, or etc.... On all of my
electrics except for indoor ships, I have some sort of disconnect. I for one
would like to see it an inforced rule at all sanctioned meets not just pattern
meets, that any plane over a certain size or weight must have one in order to
fly. Just my three pennies <br id="ecxFontBreak"></b><br><br><i><b>Matthew E.
Finley</b></i><br>QCI - Technology Assistant<br>614-557-3846 Mobile<br><a href="mailto:mfinley@quadcityinnovations.com">mfinley@quadcityinnovations.com</a>
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