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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Autos will have no impact; they have been driving around, and crashing, with 15 gal of highly flammable fuel for quite some time. I can remember also, when dealing with LISO2 batteries that there were severe restrictions on their weight. It was most embarrassing when we convinced a new customer how great and safe they were and where they arrived they were marked “</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>HAZZARDOUS MATREIAL</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>”! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bradley Hand ITC";color:#1F497D'>Jay Marshall<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 03, 2014 5:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> jpavlick@idseng.com; John Pavlick; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] LIPOs on board?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If either happens there will be a s***storm over who is to blame while ignoring what should be done to prevent a re-occurrence. Or better yet put in place some reasonable laws to make an occurrence less likely, keeping in mind the old story about the safest airplane.<br>John<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 12/3/2014 2:45 PM, John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And I wonder what will happen when there’s a major accident involving an electric car on a highway somewhere…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John Pavlick</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cell: 203-417-4971</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img width=90 height=39 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D00F35.20C21CE0" alt=idslogo2></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Integrated Development Services</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] LIPOs on board?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>This article appeared in the Albuquerque Journal this morning. I was not aware that large shipments of lithium batteries could still be just under my seat on my next flight. We all know what havoc a single 10S pack can do if it catches fire. I find it hard to believe that an airliner could survive a palletfull going up. It's no surprise that the fire suppressant they used had no effect.<br>There is a proposed rule going into effect the first of the year that is supposed to eliminate commercial shipments from passenger airliners- if it isn't blocked or postponed. I wonder what the checkin counter response would be to a question of whether there is a shipment of lipos on board? Think they could even find out that information?<br><br>John Gayer<o:p></o:p></p><div id="testArtCol_a"><h2 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.8pt;margin-left:0in;mso-line-height-alt:12.8pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#333333;font-weight:normal'>Shipments of lithium-ion units raise concerns over fires, blasts</span><o:p></o:p></h2><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:.3in;line-height:14.4pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333'>WASHINGTON — Dramatic U.S. government test results raise new concern that bulk shipments of rechargeable lithium batteries carried as cargo on passenger planes are susceptible to fires or explosions that could destroy the airliners.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.4pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333'><img border=0 width=595 height=336 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D00F35.20C21CE0"></span><span class=art-imagetext><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#BBBBBB'>This video frame grab shows a test of a cargo container packed with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartrid</span></b></span><span class=art-imagetext><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333'>This video frame grab shows a test of a cargo container packed with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartridge heater that resulted in a fire and explosion.</span></b></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:.3in;line-height:14.4pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Yet U.S. and international officials have been slow to adopt safety restrictions that might affect the powerful industries that depend on the batteries and the airlines that profit from shipping them. The batteries are used in products ranging from cellphones and laptops to hybrid cars.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:.3in;line-height:14.4pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Shipments of rechargeable batteries on passenger planes are supposed to be limited to no more than a handful in a single box, under safety standards set by the U.N.’s International Civil Aviation Organization and adopted by the U.S. and other nations. But a loophole permits shippers to pack many small boxes into one shipment and get around the rules. Tens of thousands of the batteries may be packed into pallets or containers and loaded into the cargo holds of wide-body passenger planes.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="testArtCol_b"><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:.3in;line-height:14.4pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333'>In an April test by the Federal Aviation Administration, a cargo container was packed with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartridge heater added to simulate a single battery experiencing uncontrolled overheating. The heat from the cartridge triggered escalating overheating in nearby batteries, which spread in a chain reaction. Temperatures reached about 1,100 degrees.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:.3in;line-height:14.4pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Once about 300 batteries had become involved, a fierce explosion blew open the container door and sent boxes flying, catching FAA and industry observers by surprise. Within seconds, the cargo container was in flames. The explosion came from a buildup of flammable gases. A second test in September produced similar results, despite the addition of a fire suppression agent.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:.3in;line-height:14.4pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333'>The U.N.’s civil aviation agency is considering a series of proposals to strengthen packaging, labeling and handling standards for lithium-ion battery shipments, and airline pilot unions are pushing for limits on the number of batteries that can be transported.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>