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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Well, I can only conclude from the comments that you need to leave the snaps and integrated rolls to the pros flying and judging IMAC. Make pattern less controversial and just get rid of them both. ;-)<BR> <BR>
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To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 14:30:48 -0400<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps<BR>From: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr sizset="0" sizcache06713205889457092="90">I'm surprised no one mentioned the half cuban 8 with integrated rolls at about 6:50 in the video.<BR> <BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:55:09 -0700<BR>To: rpasto513@gmail.com; nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps<BR>From: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr>At a recent contest, I did the Master's 1 1/2 snap with a nice pitch up of the nose and one judge ask me if it was supposed to pitch up like that? !!! <IMG style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" src="cid:361@goomoji.gmail">
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<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote sizset="0" sizcache06713205889457092="90">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Patrick Harris <SPAN dir=ltr sizset="0" sizcache06713205889457092="90"><<A href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" target=_blank saprocessedanchor="true">harris7148@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote sizset="2" sizcache06713205889457092="90">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Bob Pastorello via NSRCA-discussion <SPAN dir=ltr sizset="2" sizcache06713205889457092="90"><<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank saprocessedanchor="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma, sans-serif" class=ecxgmail_default>Nuthin' snaps like a Bucker!!! :)</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote sizset="3" sizcache06713205889457092="90">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-discussion <SPAN dir=ltr sizset="3" sizcache06713205889457092="90"><<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank saprocessedanchor="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote sizset="7" sizcache06713205889457092="90">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 8:47 AM, James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <SPAN dir=ltr sizset="7" sizcache06713205889457092="90"><<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank saprocessedanchor="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">We accommodate / adapt to rules in many ways. Interesting review of full scale. Wings make a difference. I got a lot happier as I transitioned from a 2:1, 12% wing to a 2 1/2 :1, 14%.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal sizset="8" sizcache06713205889457092="90"><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" sizset="8" sizcache06713205889457092="90"> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank saprocessedanchor="true">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John Ford via NSRCA-discussion<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 08, 2014 4:58 AM<BR><B>To:</B> w d; General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN>Hard to believe no discussion on a snap thread…that's a first. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN>I watched the French Connection video with interest since they were very much at the top of the airshow list at around the time I was into full-scale aerobatics. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN>We always figured that FC was able to pull off the "snap-on-the-deck" stunt because of the CAP-10's airfoil, which was closer to a glider airfoil than to an acro airfoil. Hence the deep wallow before the autorotation that results in the displacement of the flight path…to their advantage in this case. They used to do the two-plane formation snap on take-off, which always impressed me to no end.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN>If you watch Patty Wagstaff do a snap, with a thin, fully-symetrical airfoil and added full-span stall strips, her snaps become virtually identical to the FAI "twinkle snap". A Pitts S-1 is somewhere in between. The Citabria, needing full "con" ailerons, will pause for a split second, then autorotate in a flash with surprisingly little displacement. So 10 different planes will all autorotate differently, some imperceptibly. Accordingly, many full-scale pilots snap with ailerons "pro" instead or with the traditional ailerons "con". Heck, most full-scale competitors get 10's on spins and they are literally flying/slipping the plane down the spin…never having stalled at all. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN>So for pattern, if it slows down for a micro-second, and the tail describes a cone, I call it good, even though I still can't do it that well myself...<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN>John<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal sizset="9" sizcache06713205889457092="90"><SPAN sizset="9" sizcache06713205889457092="90">On Sep 7, 2014, at 1:25 PM, w d via NSRCA-discussion <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank saprocessedanchor="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN>well since masters is know taking on traditional FAI maneuvers" rollers and such".. the twinkle snap will become the standard in AMA ...I will be doing one in the upline snap from now on...<BR><U></U><BR><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN>gary <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal sizset="10" sizcache06713205889457092="90"><SPAN sizset="10" sizcache06713205889457092="90">On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Chuck Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank saprocessedanchor="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> wrote:<BR><U></U><BR><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN>Well Don, that really didn't fire up a lot of enthusiastic discussion. I guess after Nats it's don't ask don't tell.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN>C<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal sizset="11" sizcache06713205889457092="90"><SPAN sizset="11" sizcache06713205889457092="90"><BR>On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:28 PM, <A href="mailto:flyintexanmark@gmail.com" target=_blank saprocessedanchor="true">flyintexanmark@gmail.com</A> via NSRCA-discussion <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank saprocessedanchor="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Very revealing. Thanks Don.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Regards,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'">Mark Hunt<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal sizset="13" sizcache06713205889457092="90"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'" sizset="13" sizcache06713205889457092="90">----- Reply message -----<BR>From: "Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank saprocessedanchor="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>To: "'General pattern discussion'" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank saprocessedanchor="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps<BR>Date: Sat, Sep 6, 2014 3:57 PM<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">about half way down the page. A good exercise is to watch both videos and record your thoughts. Then get a thin piece of straight wire and overlay the track of the models when they snap. See if your views change. The ability to replay a short segment is a help.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
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