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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>They do
fabulous inverted spins too / and it don't take much to make them go
flat..... !!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Bob Pastorello via
NSRCA-discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 08, 2014 12:55
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Snaps</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif" class=gmail_default>Nuthin' snaps
like a Bucker!!! :)</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Patrick Harris via
NSRCA-discussion <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Here are some interesting full sized snaps:
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<DIV><A href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETc1mNNQg8"
target=_blank>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETc1mNNQg8</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><A href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQgFocNJh0"
target=_blank>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQgFocNJh0</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><A href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LDaSq6E30"
target=_blank>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LDaSq6E30</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 8:47 AM, James Hiller via
NSRCA-discussion <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">We
accommodate / adapt to rules in many ways. Interesting review of full
scale. Wings make a difference. I got a lot happier as I transitioned from
a 2:1, 12% wing to a 2 1/2 :1, 14%.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Jim<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B>On Behalf
Of </B>John Ford via NSRCA-discussion<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September
08, 2014 4:58 AM<BR><B>To:</B> w d; General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Snaps<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN>Hard to believe no discussion on a snap
thread…that's a first. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN>I watched the French Connection video with
interest since they were very much at the top of the airshow list at
around the time I was into full-scale
aerobatics. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN>We always figured that FC was able to pull off
the "snap-on-the-deck" stunt because of the CAP-10's airfoil, which was
closer to a glider airfoil than to an acro airfoil. Hence the deep wallow
before the autorotation that results in the displacement of the flight
path…to their advantage in this case. They used to do the two-plane
formation snap on take-off, which always impressed me to no
end.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN>If you watch Patty Wagstaff do a snap, with a
thin, fully-symetrical airfoil and added full-span stall strips, her snaps
become virtually identical to the FAI "twinkle snap". A Pitts S-1 is
somewhere in between. The Citabria, needing full "con" ailerons, will
pause for a split second, then autorotate in a flash with surprisingly
little displacement. So 10 different planes will all autorotate
differently, some imperceptibly. Accordingly, many full-scale pilots snap
with ailerons "pro" instead or with the traditional ailerons "con". Heck,
most full-scale competitors get 10's on spins and they are literally
flying/slipping the plane down the spin…never having stalled at
all. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN>So for pattern, if it slows down for a
micro-second, and the tail describes a cone, I call it good, even though I
still can't do it that well myself...<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN>John<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN>On Sep 7, 2014, at 1:25 PM, w d via
NSRCA-discussion <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>>
wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><BR><U></U><BR><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN>well since masters is
know taking on traditional FAI maneuvers" rollers and such".. the twinkle
snap will become the standard in AMA ...I will be doing one in the upline
snap from now on...<BR><U></U><BR><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN>gary <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN>On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Chuck Hochhalter
via NSRCA-discussion <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>>
wrote:<BR><U></U><BR><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN>Well Don, that really didn't fire up a lot of
enthusiastic discussion. I guess after Nats it's don't ask don't
tell.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN>C<BR><BR>Sent from my
iPhone<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN><BR>On Sep 6, 2014,
at 6:28 PM, <A href="mailto:flyintexanmark@gmail.com"
target=_blank>flyintexanmark@gmail.com</A> via NSRCA-discussion <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>>
wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Very revealing. Thanks
Don.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Regards,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Mark
Hunt<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">----- Reply message
-----<BR>From: "Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>To: "'General
pattern discussion'" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Snaps<BR>Date: Sat, Sep 6, 2014 3:57
PM<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
just watched CPLR and Mayer doing snaps on video. The entire video is
their snaps. If you are interested, here’s the link <A
href="http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1443881&page=2"
target=_blank>http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1443881&page=2</A></SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">about
half way down the page. A good exercise is to watch both videos
and record your thoughts. Then get a thin piece of straight wire and
overlay the track of the models when they snap. See if your views
change. The ability to replay a short segment is a
help.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Especially
watch the snaps at 1:40 for CPLR and about 2:00 for Mayer. What do you
think? Note the post just after Mayer’s
video.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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