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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>I'm surprised no one mentioned the half cuban 8 with integrated rolls at about 6:50 in the video.<br> <BR><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:55:09 -0700<br>To: rpasto513@gmail.com; nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps<br>From: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br><br><div dir="ltr">At a recent contest, I did the Master's 1 1/2 snap with a nice pitch up of the nose and one judge ask me if it was supposed to pitch up like that? !!! <img style="vertical-align: middle;" src="cid:361@goomoji.gmail"><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Patrick Harris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" target="_blank">harris7148@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class="ecxgmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Here's Patty Wagstaff. At 2:35 and 5:40 they look a lot like what we do. <div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpNOMRdtmtM" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpNOMRdtmtM</a><br></div></div><div class="ecxHOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Bob Pastorello via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class="ecxgmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;" class="ecxgmail_default">Nuthin' snaps like a Bucker!!! :)</div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class="ecxgmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Here are some interesting full sized snaps:<div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETc1mNNQg8" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETc1mNNQg8</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQgFocNJh0" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQgFocNJh0</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LDaSq6E30" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LDaSq6E30</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 8:47 AM, James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class="ecxgmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>We accommodate / adapt to rules in many ways. Interesting review of full scale. Wings make a difference. I got a lot happier as I transitioned from a 2:1, 12% wing to a 2 1/2 :1, 14%.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Jim<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt;'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Ford via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 08, 2014 4:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> w d; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>Hard to believe no discussion on a snap thread…that's a first. <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>I watched the French Connection video with interest since they were very much at the top of the airshow list at around the time I was into full-scale aerobatics. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>We always figured that FC was able to pull off the "snap-on-the-deck" stunt because of the CAP-10's airfoil, which was closer to a glider airfoil than to an acro airfoil. Hence the deep wallow before the autorotation that results in the displacement of the flight path…to their advantage in this case. They used to do the two-plane formation snap on take-off, which always impressed me to no end.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>If you watch Patty Wagstaff do a snap, with a thin, fully-symetrical airfoil and added full-span stall strips, her snaps become virtually identical to the FAI "twinkle snap". A Pitts S-1 is somewhere in between. The Citabria, needing full "con" ailerons, will pause for a split second, then autorotate in a flash with surprisingly little displacement. So 10 different planes will all autorotate differently, some imperceptibly. Accordingly, many full-scale pilots snap with ailerons "pro" instead or with the traditional ailerons "con". Heck, most full-scale competitors get 10's on spins and they are literally flying/slipping the plane down the spin…never having stalled at all. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>So for pattern, if it slows down for a micro-second, and the tail describes a cone, I call it good, even though I still can't do it that well myself...<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>John<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>On Sep 7, 2014, at 1:25 PM, w d via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><br><u></u><br><u></u><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>well since masters is know taking on traditional FAI maneuvers" rollers and such".. the twinkle snap will become the standard in AMA ...I will be doing one in the upline snap from now on...<br><u></u><br><u></u><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>gary <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Chuck Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><u></u><br><u></u><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>Well Don, that really didn't fire up a lot of enthusiastic discussion. I guess after Nats it's don't ask don't tell.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>C<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><br>On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:28 PM, <a href="mailto:flyintexanmark@gmail.com" target="_blank">flyintexanmark@gmail.com</a> via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>Very revealing. Thanks Don.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>Mark Hunt<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";'>----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>To: "'General pattern discussion'" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps<br>Date: Sat, Sep 6, 2014 3:57 PM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>I just watched CPLR and Mayer doing snaps on video. The entire video is their snaps. If you are interested, here’s the link <a href="http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1443881&page=2" target="_blank">http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1443881&page=2</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>about half way down the page. A good exercise is to watch both videos and record your thoughts. Then get a thin piece of straight wire and overlay the track of the models when they snap. See if your views change. The ability to replay a short segment is a help.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt;'>Especially watch the snaps at 1:40 for CPLR and about 2:00 for Mayer. What do you think? Note the post just after Mayer’s video.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote><blockquote><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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