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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>I actually wouldn't mind if the lower classes could be made 'funner' and more challenging. I don't know why spins and snaps can't be attempted in lower classes than they currently are. Spins and snaps are at the lower level IMAC. If someone doesn't like to compete in IMAC, it's in spite of the fun knows, not because of them.<BR> <BR>
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To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:59:37 -0400<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2015 proposed sequences<BR>From: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr sizset="0" sizcache08787022223043683="6">Basically, there has been quite a bit of deviation from the tradition here that goes way back when performance was an issue and certain maneuvers were just done a certain direction because of that. Rolling maneuvers were always downwind, square loops for example upwind, top hat upwind, reverse Cuban 8s upwind, Cuban 8s downwind, triangle loops downwind, square horizontal eight downwind, center stalls and spins having turnaround maneuvers after them to allow the pilot to bring the aircraft in or out because of wind drift while in the stalled condition, etc. <BR> <BR>I think what has really brought about this deviation from the norm significantly more this time around is the design of recent FAI sequences which have deviated a lot from what was done in the past.<BR> <BR>Maybe we need to add more design parameters and boundaries to the sequence guide spelling out direction of flight of certain classes of maneuvers for at least through Intermediate and to some extent Advanced and a little bit in Masters. I guess you could peg the blame on me for missing this when I put the original guidelines together with the committee at that time. We do have many of the parameters which help in designing a good sequence, but I guess we may need a few more.<BR> <BR>It is probably one of the reasons why there is such heated discussion on the proposed sequences and that is partially due to the experience of the current group of people on the sequence committee which is no fault of their own. The previous committees had the advantage of having a few guys who had many many years of involvement in past committees and just maybe they should have been at the very least kept on in an advisory role. Hindsight I guess.<BR> <BR>No one is really to blame here. If anything it should be a learning experience and maybe some new parameters and boundaries need to be added to the guideline design criteria for each class.<BR>
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To: jpavlick@idseng.com; nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 06:56:30 -0400<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2015 proposed sequences<BR>From: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><BR>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Yes, you’re correct. And as I recall, that sequence was described as being the worse sequence ever developed by one of the current committee members. I assume because maneuvers were flown in the wrong direction (Loop from top (u), Top Hat (d), Double I (d), downwind Rev Shark’s Tooth?) Somewhere it must be written that rolling maneuvers are always flown downwind but I can’t seem find it.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I was asking because the sequence building module I have in the scoring app does define direction for the center maneuvers and these two kicked out as suspect. I guess I just went too far with the logic. </SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> John Pavlick [mailto:jpavlick26@att.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 22, 2014 12:40 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Scott Smith'; 'General pattern discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [NSRCA-discussion] 2015 proposed sequences</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Scott – wasn’t the Outside loop from the top maneuver back in the “old” 402 sequence (around 2006) done as an “upwind” maneuver? I can’t find any of my old call sheets but I think it was.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">A couple questions on the intermediate sequence:</SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Maneuver 6 Outside loop from the top (U) – Would that not typically be considered a downwind maneuver?</SPAN></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">And maneuver 12 Square Loop (D) - Would that not typically be considered an upwind maneuver?</SPAN></P>
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