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    Thanks for finding the error. Here is the latest change ( I hesitate
    to say final) and also using a proposed revision system. I'm using
    the date and a "-1" in case we have more than one change in a given
    day.<br>
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    John<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/4/2014 1:24 PM, astropuppy via
      NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I do not understand the description of #17 the
        reverse half cuban:
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          <div>"17. 1/2 Rev Cuban from top,1/2 roll on 45 (T): Model
            executes a one-eighth (1/8) outside loop to </div>
          <div>a 45 degree downline. On this line the model hesitates,
            performs a half roll, hesitates, and then </div>
          <div>performs a five eights (5/8) inside loop to level upright
            in the opposite direction of flight."</div>
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        <div>Shouldn't the "five eights (5/8) inside loop" be an 5/8
          outside loop instead of the stated inside loop? The next
          maneuver is the upright spin.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Dale
          Olstinske via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                    here, just in case</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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                        NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a
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                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>RJ Bohn via
                        NSRCA-discussion<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 04, 2014 12:04 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Jas; General pattern discussion<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2015
                        Proposed Advanced Sequence</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">ALCON,</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> I went to the site and found
                        the same sequence as last week… I think.   Are
                        these .pdf files dated anywhere?  </p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Richard Bohn</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 4, 2014, at 2:36
                            PM, Jas via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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                            wrote:</p>
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                                style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Dale,</span></p>
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                                style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">I'm
                                out at the field with one of our
                                Advanced pilots and he likes the
                                changes. I'm going to fly through it
                                once for him and then call it for him.
                                Updates later.<br>
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                                Sent from my iP</span></p>
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                                On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Dale
                                Olstinske via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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                                wrote:</span></p>
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                                  style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Over
                                  that past few weeks, we have received
                                  a lot of input from the membership
                                  about the Advanced sequence proposed
                                  for 2015. To everyone who has, a big
                                  thanks, we really need this in order
                                  to develop sequences that meet the
                                  expectations of the majority of the
                                  membership. I would add, it is very
                                  helpful when these inputs are
                                  specific, not just "I don't like it".
                                  Much of the criticism about this
                                  sequence was in two areas, difficulty
                                  and new maneuvers, let me address
                                  each. </span></p>
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                                  style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">The
                                  guide allows for new maneuvers to be
                                  created. The list of maneuvers in the
                                  development guide is not meant to be
                                  exhaustive. Each time we develop new
                                  schedules, new ones are created or
                                  borrowed from other disciplines, like
                                  F3A or even do I dare say,
                                  IMAC LOL! In this proposed sequence,
                                  there are a few maneuvers that were
                                  previously not in the catalog, like
                                  the Immelman with full rolls, the Hour
                                  Glass or the Cobra as we defined. As
                                  along at these are in line with class
                                  guidelines and it's felt they are
                                  appropriate, they are added to the
                                  list of allowable maneuvers.
                                  Specifically, the Hour Glass was added
                                  because we all felt it was
                                  appropriate, and a variant of that
                                  maneuver is now in Masters and F3A-P.
                                  So as you will see, we left it in.</span></p>
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                                  style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">As
                                  to difficulty, we had enough pilots
                                  indicate concern, that we took another
                                  look. In doing so, we realized that we
                                  had exceeded some of the boundaries
                                  set forth in the Advanced section. The
                                  guide has been a living breathing
                                  document for the past few cycles, so
                                  we could have modified the guide to
                                  allow for this sequence, but it was
                                  felt this was the wrong approach. Now,
                                  for the next cycle, we will be
                                  recommending some changes to the guide
                                  (for BOD approval) which would allow
                                  more flexibility, however for now, we
                                  are modifying the sequence to adhere
                                  to the guidelines. Specifically, there
                                  are only limited number of inverted
                                  entries and exits, on turn around
                                  maneuvers, executed at a low altitude.
                                  You will see in the new sequence, we
                                  simply added and removed rolls, which
                                  brought the number of inverted
                                  sections in line. The basic structure
                                  and class of each maneuvers, are
                                  really unchanged.</span></p>
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                                  style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">The
                                  new sequence is now posted on the
                                  NSRCA web site. Again a big thanks for
                                  all who took the time to let us know.</span></p>
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                                  Committee</span></p>
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