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    I know everyone hates a comparison to IMAC but they have some form
    of rollers and  rolls in looping maneuvers from the Sportsman class
    up.  <br>
    I know they have less stringent rules on how much of an arc the roll
    has to be on but the better flyers will fly them with pattern like
    criteria.<br>
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    So if they can learn them then I am sure our Master pilots can as
    well :)<br>
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    Stuart<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/28/2014 9:34 AM, Jarvis Johnson
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        <div><span>People people, stop your crying, there is nothing
            wrong with the 2015 proposed sequences.We want it to easy,it
            time to step it up, so go out there and fly !!!!!!!!</span></div>
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                  July 28, 2014 6:21 AM, james woodward via
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                    <div dir="ltr">Did anyone see the 2014 Nats F3A
                      Finals Unknowns?  Insanity!!  LOL.   
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                        28, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Del R via NSRCA-discussion
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                              <div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff">While
                                  I do not dispute your thoughts and
                                  writing Mark do you accept and realize
                                  that this also drives the casual and
                                  medium dollar pilot backwards or
                                  away?  As long as you accept that is
                                  part of what drives people away from
                                  being able to compete then you are
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                                      href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">Atwood,
                                      Mark via NSRCA-discussion</a> </div>
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                                    [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed 2015
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                                    <div>Integrated rolling maneuvers
                                      were only introduced to FAI in the
                                      last 10 years.  Over that time
                                      Masters has stayed fairly stagnant
                                      with regard to any type of new
                                      maneuver or difficulty.  I was
                                      flying masters when they
                                      introduced 2 rolls in opposite
                                      directions and we all had a
                                      similar thought… “I have to roll
                                      the OTHER way???  This isn’t
                                      FAI….”   We adjusted.  </div>
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                                    <div>The gap between Masters and FAI
                                      is growing rapidly.  If we want
                                      Masters to prepare pilots for FAI
                                      than we need to keep the gap
                                      reasonable.  Yes, Masters is a
                                      destination for some.  So is
                                      Advanced…heck, so is Intermediate.
                                       But that doesn’t change their
                                      primary purpose of being stepping
                                      stones to improve our flying,
                                      culminating with FAI. </div>
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                                    <div>Mark Atwood                    
                                                                       
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                                    On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:42 PM,
                                    Whodaddy Whodaddy via
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                                    Several masters pilots at the NATS
                                    indicated they would return to
                                    advanced because of the roller...It
                                    was indicated that who cares how
                                    easy it might be masters is not FAI
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                                    An hour glass in advanced seemed a
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                                      2014, at 10:07 AM, Dale Olstinske
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                                      We would be asking for final BOD
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                                        2014, at 8:05 AM, Chuck
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