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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Can you tell me where that is?? The one
and only pace the FAA ever mentioned 400 feet was in AC 91-57,
which is no longer in effect based on their new "interpretation."
Section 336 makes no mention of altitudes and based on what the
FAA is saying is they will selectively apply specific sections of
Part 1 in a case where enforcement action is required. They even
said it would be a case by case basis. <br>
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This thing is onerous enough without reading more into it than is
there. AMA is crafting a response right now and I suspect that
there will be more clarification coming shortly. One thing is
certain, BLOS and FPV are dead as of yesterday. No exceptions or
wiggle room there.<br>
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Bill<br>
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On 6/24/14, 4:57 PM, Peter Vogel wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">There are several references to "rules for model
aviation in the NAS already existing in section 91" (where the
400 foot rule exists) with the extended authorization of the
modernization act to operations within 5 miles of an airport.
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<div>I have read it twice now and I have not seen any
specific mention of the "400-foot rule." Can you cite
the section of the document since it appears I missed
it??
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<div dir="ltr">I read the full text of their
interpretation of the "special rule for model
aircraft" last night, I think the potential impact
to pattern is their attempt to reinforce the 400
foot altitude limit (with no radius considerations
for full scale airports) and extend the full scale
airport notification radius to 5 miles (from 3 that
was in 91-57) to require notification of model
aircraft activity.
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<div>Their absolute denial of goggle-based FPV (the
pilot MUST always maintain LOS to their plane,
it's not sufficient to have a spotter ready to
take over) is going to create a lot of lawlessness
in the FPV community but shouldn't impact pattern.</div>
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<div class="">On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM,
SilentAV8R via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Actually, the FAA is now prohibiting
FPV of any kind.<br>
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href="http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-faa-is-trying-to-ban-first-person-view-drone-flights?trk_source=recommended"
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href="http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=16474&cid=TW223"
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href="http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_default">Gentlemen,</div>
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article was published in USA
Today. It doesn't really affect
us as Pattern folk but it is
something we should be cognizant
of as well as be on the lookout at
our local fields for. The main
thing is that the FAA is allowing
FPV flight but not outside of
visual range. I've seen many many
people take their quad copters far
beyond visual range. Big fines
can happen for sure.</div>
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