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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf">http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paragraph I. last sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>SilentAV8R via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peter Vogel<br><b>Cc:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Rules<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Can you tell me where that is?? The one and only pace the FAA ever mentioned 400 feet was in AC 91-57, which is no longer in effect based on their new "interpretation." Section 336 makes no mention of altitudes and based on what the FAA is saying is they will selectively apply specific sections of Part 1 in a case where enforcement action is required. They even said it would be a case by case basis. <br><br>This thing is onerous enough without reading more into it than is there. AMA is crafting a response right now and I suspect that there will be more clarification coming shortly. One thing is certain, BLOS and FPV are dead as of yesterday. No exceptions or wiggle room there.<br><br>Bill<br><br><br><br>On 6/24/14, 4:57 PM, Peter Vogel wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>There are several references to "rules for model aviation in the NAS already existing in section 91" (where the 400 foot rule exists) with the extended authorization of the modernization act to operations within 5 miles of an airport. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Peter+<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 4:48 PM, SilentAV8R <<a href="mailto:Silentav8r@cox.net" target="_blank">Silentav8r@cox.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have read it twice now and I have not seen any specific mention of the "400-foot rule." Can you cite the section of the document since it appears I missed it?? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br>On 6/24/14, 10:47 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I read the full text of their interpretation of the "special rule for model aircraft" last night, I think the potential impact to pattern is their attempt to reinforce the 400 foot altitude limit (with no radius considerations for full scale airports) and extend the full scale airport notification radius to 5 miles (from 3 that was in 91-57) to require notification of model aircraft activity. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Their absolute denial of goggle-based FPV (the pilot MUST always maintain LOS to their plane, it's not sufficient to have a spotter ready to take over) is going to create a lot of lawlessness in the FPV community but shouldn't impact pattern.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM, SilentAV8R via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Actually, the FAA is now prohibiting FPV of any kind.<br><br><a href="http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-faa-is-trying-to-ban-first-person-view-drone-flights?trk_source=recommended" target="_blank">http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-faa-is-trying-to-ban-first-person-view-drone-flights?trk_source=recommended</a><br><br><a href="http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=16474&cid=TW223" target="_blank">http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=16474&cid=TW223</a><br><br><a href="http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf</a><br><br>Bill <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><br><br>On 6/24/14, 7:27 AM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Gentlemen,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This article was published in USA Today. It doesn't really affect us as Pattern folk but it is something we should be cognizant of as well as be on the lookout at our local fields for. The main thing is that the FAA is allowing FPV flight but not outside of visual range. I've seen many many people take their quad copters far beyond visual range. Big fines can happen for sure.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2014/06/23/faa-drones-rules-model-hobbyist-plane-pilots/11268597/" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2014/06/23/faa-drones-rules-model-hobbyist-plane-pilots/11268597/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#3333FF'>Scott A. 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