<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Having dealt with another branch of federal rulemaking (FCC) I think we should stop all of the armchair "lawyering". Wait for the lobbying interests (including the AMA) to do their thing and interpret the recent statement from the FAA. <br><br><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Jun 24, 2014, at 19:11, J N Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle18"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial">Thanks for
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">-----Original
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> NSRCA-discussion
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight:
bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:05
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> William Harden; General
pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FAA Rules</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/FAAInterpretiveRule.pdf">http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/FAAInterpretiveRule.pdf</a></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Bob Brown
takes his usual non-productive aggressive stance:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">“The FAA
interpretive rule effectively negates Congress’ </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">intentions,
and is contrary to the law. Section 336(a) of the Public Law states that, ‘the
Federal </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Aviation
Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a
model </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">aircraft…’,
this interpretive rule specifically addresses model aircraft, effectively
establishes rules that model aircraft were not previously subject to and is in
direct violation of the </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">congressional
mandate in the 2012 FAA reauthorization bill.” </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">On Tue, Jun
24, 2014 at 5:53 PM, William Harden via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:
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color:black">What did the press release say?<br>
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Sent from my iPhone</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;
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On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Astropattern via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AMA just
posted a press release a few minutes ago.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Sent from my iPad</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;
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On Jun 24, 2014, at 8:44 PM, John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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Arial;color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf</a></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black">
NSRCA-discussion [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>SilentAV8R via
NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:05
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Peter Vogel<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
FAA Rules</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:
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color:black"> </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
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color:black">Can you tell me where that is?? The one and only pace the FAA ever
mentioned 400 feet was in AC 91-57, which is no longer in effect based on their
new "interpretation." Section 336 makes no mention of altitudes and
based on what the FAA is saying is they will selectively apply specific
sections of Part 1 in a case where enforcement action is required. They even
said it would be a case by case basis. <br>
<br>
This thing is onerous enough without reading more into it than is there. AMA is
crafting a response right now and I suspect that there will be more
clarification coming shortly. One thing is certain, BLOS and FPV are dead as of
yesterday. No exceptions or wiggle room there.<br>
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Bill<br>
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On 6/24/14, 4:57 PM, Peter Vogel wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black">There are several references to "rules for model aviation in
the NAS already existing in section 91" (where the 400 foot rule exists)
with the extended authorization of the modernization act to operations within 5
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color:black">On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 4:48 PM, SilentAV8R <<a href="mailto:Silentav8r@cox.net" target="_blank">Silentav8r@cox.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:
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color:black">I have read it twice now and I have not seen any specific mention
of the "400-foot rule." Can you cite the section of the
document since it appears I missed it?? </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On 6/24/14, 10:47 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black">I read the full text of their interpretation of the "special
rule for model aircraft" last night, I think the potential impact to
pattern is their attempt to reinforce the 400 foot altitude limit (with no
radius considerations for full scale airports) and extend the full scale
airport notification radius to 5 miles (from 3 that was in 91-57) to require
notification of model aircraft activity. </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black">Their absolute denial of goggle-based FPV (the pilot MUST always
maintain LOS to their plane, it's not sufficient to have a spotter ready to
take over) is going to create a lot of lawlessness in the FPV community but
shouldn't impact pattern.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black">On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM, SilentAV8R via NSRCA-discussion
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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color:black">Actually, the FAA is now prohibiting FPV of any kind.<br>
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<a href="http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-faa-is-trying-to-ban-first-person-view-drone-flights?trk_source=recommended" target="_blank">http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-faa-is-trying-to-ban-first-person-view-drone-flights?trk_source=recommended</a><br>
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<a href="http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=16474&cid=TW223" target="_blank">http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=16474&cid=TW223</a><br>
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<a href="http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf</a><br>
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Bill </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:
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On 6/24/14, 7:27 AM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black">This article was published in USA Today. It doesn't really
affect us as Pattern folk but it is something we should be cognizant of as well
as be on the lookout at our local fields for. The main thing is that the
FAA is allowing FPV flight but not outside of visual range. I've seen
many many people take their quad copters far beyond visual range. Big
fines can happen for sure.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:blue"><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2014/06/23/faa-drones-rules-model-hobbyist-plane-pilots/11268597/" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2014/06/23/faa-drones-rules-model-hobbyist-plane-pilots/11268597/</a></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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