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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Better late than never, maybe!<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I caught bits and pieces of this discussion while in
Canada last week.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I believe I was district VP in the mid 80’s when we
committed to the present normalizing method. Not wanting my scores based on
someone else’s performance at the time I wasn’t in favor of normalizing. About
that time scores from the NATs were published, both raw and normalized. After
calculating placement based on raw scores, as I remember, 1 st through 4<sup> </sup>th
place didn’t change. I couldn’t argue against normalized scoring then nor can I
now. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>All things considered our present normalizing method
with throwaway rounds probably works best for most competitors.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Some of us just need to fly better.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I wish judging was as easy.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><span class=EmailStyle20><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>rcmaster199@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 30, 2014
8:15 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Was Bakersfield contest - now discussion on normalization.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Normalizing
to average can affect every pilot in the event of a truncated flight or two.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The low
score of the short flights figure in the average, lowering it. The guys
with the flame outs of course are affected but everyone else is also
affected in a positive way, increasing their respective scores proportionately.
How large the increase is depends on number of pilots<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Normalization
to max score affects only the truncated flights and no one else. I think that's
what we want.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>MattK<br
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<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Wed, Apr 30, 2014 2:44 am<br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Was Bakersfield contest - now discussion on
normalization.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
reality is that "most" of the time, all of these methods will get it
right. All of them how outliers that demonstrate their flaws. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
question becomes what flaws are more egregious and lead to bad outcomes.
Raw scoring, and normalizing to the perfect score are virtually the same
thing and will mathematically result in the same outcome. It does not
normalize the rounds to be equal in weight and allows for a "blowout"
round to offset multiple close rounds. There's a myriad of reasons we no
longer use raw scores. But even raw scores provided the right outcome
"most" of the time. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Normalizing
to the highest score has been the accepted way of late. It has the significant
advantage of making each round equal in value. It suffers most notably
when one or several pilots miss a round ( for whatever reason). This very
very rarely changes the outcome of the 1st place winner, but can significantly
alter the lower standings. This is most noticed at nationals when people
are fighting for a position in the semi finals or finals. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Normalizing
to the average does the reverse. Still maintains equal value in each
round but Improves the accuracy of the middle outcomes at the expense of a
possibly less accurate 1st place outcome. This is appealing if your
fighting for the finals cutoff but I think most would agree that at the end of
the day we're trying to pick the winner. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>With
that in mind, I think we currently have the correct normalization process.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Mike'a
concern of throwing away too much data is a very valid, albeit completely
different issue. That to me is less of a mathematical issue than a
potentially contentious discussion about the subjectivity of our discipline.
The argument to throw out highs and lows (I disagree with doing this) is
based fundamentally on the assumption that those scores are wrong. The 10
was erroneous or the 0 was erroneous etc. In practice this only serves to
call into question the quality of the judge. It was meant to counter the
problem with regional "style" especially with regard to snaps and
spins, where a spurious Zero could ruin a round. We've done a LOT to
reduce these problems over the years and I think our overall judging is the
best it's ever been. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Keeping
rounds is slightly different in its intent. Only part of that is meant to
address equipment reliability. Many many many sports reward consistency
and still allow for a misstep. Athletic sports typically play series...
Best 3of5, 4 of 7, etc. Subjective sport that don't do this (skating,
gymnastics, etc) also don't have you perform more than once. We
are a hybrid of the two. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>My
$0.02<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Sent from my average intelligence phone <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Apr 29, 2014, at 6:02 PM, "Jas S" <<a
href="mailto:justanotherflyr@gmail.com">justanotherflyr@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Can the results be run
normalized like normal to see if there are any changes? Would be interesting to
see if anything changes. My guess is it probably won't, but might show any kind
of difference between doing it this way and the other way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at
4:12 PM, Del R <<a href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div style='WORD-WRAP: break-word' vlink="purple" bgcolor="white" link="blue">Hi
Mike.. While I concede it has rarely happened in the past but their have been
repeated occurrences d/t possible judge overload, Miss understanding of
maneuver being flown etc. some have earned positive scores when a zero was
deserved. My gripe with the current system especially at the NATS settings is
when the lowest scoring judge is look at with suspicion when they are they
only one who catches a zero maneuver. On the surface of the data it appears to
be the bad judge. In actuality the other judges missed the zero. Again
Compromise. I accept it is never done intentionally by anyone but when judges
work harder than pilots it makes me question the system that is at times
rewarding the wrong apple. Now I'm fairly confident in the overall scheme of
average flying over the season the consistently best pilot is still truly the
one who wins most often. My issue is the lack of acknowledgment by those that
control the direction of P.A. at times are willing to throw out the baby with
the bath water. The drive to constantly make maneuvers more complex to
challenge the pilots is rarely evaluated to what it does to the people that are
required to become familiar with the constantly changing schedule depending on
which class they are to be called on to judge. Some have had to judge 3 and in
rare cases 4 other classes besides the one they are flying in. That isn't
ideal either. With everything being purely voluntary and some have to leave
part way through without judging skews the load. In the past some would even
show up late to register to attempt to avoid judging at all. If judging has
become that difficult then the community should be taking a hard look at
how fledgling pilots in the lower classes handle and accept those challenges.
While some can accept it quite readily others are not so adept. Do we slam
the door on their desire to compete and attend more contests. I have never
seen the community reverse any of it major changes when it has hurt attendance.
The priority is always for the betterment of FAI pilots in the WORLDS. While
those are admiral goals of the organization my contention is if they want to
encourage participation they need to change some of their priorities a little. </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" title="drmikedds@sbcglobal.net">Dr.
Michael Harrison, DDS</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern discussion'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:80.55pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Tuesday, April 29, 2014
3:14 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:80.55pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bashscores areon the NSRCA website...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:80.55pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>and
data we are picking may not be the right data or we are throwing away
good data and possibly picking the wrong competitor,,,</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Del R<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 29, 2014
12:47 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Bakersfield Bash scores areon the NSRCA website...</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:80.55pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:80.55pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Mike..
Over the years many of the negative down sides have been repeatedly pointed out
regarding using the current system and while I truly concur with your opinion
the ruling part sees nothing wrong with throwing away some rounds which is
against the very attribute they contend to support. If the overall best average
pilot shows up each round and does their best then they would secure their
place. Belittling any judges work manning the chair by throwing away their work
is counter-productive to the hard work they put in with their calibrated
eyeballs. It is all about what is an acceptable compromise. In a perfect world
all judges would be focused and catch every zero but when the maneuvers are as
complex as they have become it is a daunting task for new pilots to master let
alone feel comfortable about advancing to the point they have to man the chair
to compete. The sport has become so complex one needs professional caller
and when you have maintaince issues to tend to while having to go man the chair
makes it less than desirable. Maybe that is why many are glad to have the
choice of throwing one of their flights away. </span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:80.55pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:80.55pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>
Del</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;background:#E4E4E4;border:none;
mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" title="drmikedds@sbcglobal.net">Dr.
Michael Harrison, DDS</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern discussion'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Tuesday, April 29, 2014
11:51 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores areon the NSRCA website...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>My
2-1=1 cents, There is no perfect scoring system. The system used at
bakersfield regresses back to winning with a " BarnBurner score" on
the last flight of the contest and this suffers the dilemma of becoming the
popularity contest we used to deal with. Normalizing normally rewards the
consistently best pilot, however there are always exceptions and extreme
examples to the contrary. This holds true in all competitive events of
any type. </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>I
believe where we fall short today is that we throw away too much data.
Examples would be dropping the high and low score of each flight,
dropping the worst flight at a contest, counting only 4 flights of contests
with more than 4 flights, throwing away previous flights at major events,
ie. eliminating the prelims scores at major events, etc.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>With
the reliability of all our equipment and the technology present today, we
should do more to retain more of the judging we have done.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>More
and more is being done via various methods(TBL, dropping high and low scores,
dropping worst flights, etc) to create an "average score" which is
erroneously considered the best most fair score. I believe this is a
mistake. I believe we should keep the high and low scores, the worst
flights, whatever. We don't really have the statistical data to do TBL
properly, in my opinion, it should be eliminated. It definitely has an
adverse affect on the judges ability to do his job. </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>I
believe we should work to keep much more data. I believe we can create
systems to do that. </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>On
another note, I believe this is one really good contest, would love to have
been there. Probably the premier "local" contest of the nation.</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Mike </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Apr
29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, <a href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</a>
wrote<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ron Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From: </span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>"Mark
Atwood" <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To: </span></b>"General pattern
discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent: </span></b>Tuesday, April 29, 2014
2:01:04 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject: </span></b>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores are on
the NSRCA website...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It does
not normalize the rounds. One round can be worth more than another.
Easy vs hard judges, calm vs windy conditions, etc. Especially with
throw aways it's critical that all the round have the same "value".
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>That
said, I can see an interest in normalizing to the average score, rather than to
the top score. It minimizes some of the variance when a key flyer doesn't
fly the round either due to a problem or simply choosing not to fly after
winning the first 4 rounds. Particularly in that last scenario, it makes
the remaining rounds much more valuable to the 2nd and 3rd place flyers. <br>
<br>
Sent from my average intelligence phone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:84.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
On Apr 28, 2014, at 8:27 PM, "Peter Vogel" <<a
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:1.0in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Well,
it's normalization of a sort, in that it's a percentage of perfect within each
class, so a 984 in Intermediate and a 984 in Sportsman mean the same thing, you
flew 98.4% of the perfect score (no, I haven't seen a score that high! :-)
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.0in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:120.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.0in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:120.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Overall
though, I don't like the dynamic of it. It's very clear when you have a
highly critical set of judges, everyone pretty much drops that round. Normalization
to best is definitely a superior way for people to see how they are doing
relative to the best pilot in the round for a particular set of judges,
regardless of how critical (or not) they happen to be. An interesting
experiment, but I wouldn't recommend it for future contests.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.0in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.0in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:120.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Peter+<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.0in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:1.0in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:120.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Mon,
Apr 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, John Gayer <<a
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.0in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:120.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It is a
misnomer to call what was used normalization. It is actually a reversion to the
pre-normalization scoring scheme of yesteryear. The only difference from the
old days is that by "normalizing" to a perfect score, you can
immediately see the average raw score per maneuver.</span></font><font size=2
color="#888888" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#888888'><br>
John</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.0in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.0in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:120.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On
4/28/2014 6:15 PM, Anthony Romano wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>So why
the change in normalization?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Anthony<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
</span></font></div>
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Date:
Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:04:28 -0700<br>
From: <a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores are on the NSRCA
website...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Final
data from the contest is also available here:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://www.patternscoring.com/560" target="_blank">http://www.patternscoring.com/560</a>,
the per-contestant report is considerably richer than what you get on <a
href="http://nsrca.us/" target="_blank">nsrca.us</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I also
just completed an analysis of what would have happened if we'd normalized to
best instead of to perfect, the only class where it would have made a
difference in final placement was FAI Silver (MP15) where Jon's win in one
round and 2nd place rounds were closer to Sean's scores than Dale's 2nd place
rounds would have put him about 30 points over Dale.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Peter+<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Mon,
Apr 28, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Peter Vogel <<a
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>That's
not the scoring program, the XML says "Prelim", "1",
"2" for the flight number, but the web server's transformation is
showing it as "1", "2" and "0".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Peter+<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:1.5in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:156.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid blue 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Mon,
Apr 28, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Derek Koopowitz<<a
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:2.0in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:2.0in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:192.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:2.0in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:192.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
NSRCA website is back up and running again... our host was doing some
maintenance on the server. The scores for the Bakersfield contest have
been posted and just to let everyone know...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:2.0in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:192.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:2.0in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:192.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>1.
Every score is normalized to PERFECT, not to best pilot<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:2.0in;
margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:192.3pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>2.
Every AMA class flew 2 final rounds on Sunday using unknowns<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:2.0in;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>3.
Best 3 of 4 prelim rounds were AVERAGED to produce a SINGLE round score
to carry over into the finals.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>4.
Best 2 of 3 (prelim carry over + 2 final rounds = 3) count for the final
score.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In FAI
F, Prelim carry over is shown as Round 1, Round 2 is first finals round, and
round 3 is the 2nd final round -- for some reason the scoring program is
showing that as round 0.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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