<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>The reality is that "most" of the time, all of these methods will get it right. All of them how outliers that demonstrate their flaws. </div><div><br></div><div>The question becomes what flaws are more egregious and lead to bad outcomes. Raw scoring, and normalizing to the perfect score are virtually the same thing and will mathematically result in the same outcome. It does not normalize the rounds to be equal in weight and allows for a "blowout" round to offset multiple close rounds. There's a myriad of reasons we no longer use raw scores. But even raw scores provided the right outcome "most" of the time. </div><div><br></div><div>Normalizing to the highest score has been the accepted way of late. It has the significant advantage of making each round equal in value. It suffers most notably when one or several pilots miss a round ( for whatever reason). This very very rarely changes the outcome of the 1st place winner, but can significantly alter the lower standings. This is most noticed at nationals when people are fighting for a position in the semi finals or finals. </div><div><br></div><div>Normalizing to the average does the reverse. Still maintains equal value in each round but Improves the accuracy of the middle outcomes at the expense of a possibly less accurate 1st place outcome. This is appealing if your fighting for the finals cutoff but I think most would agree that at the end of the day we're trying to pick the winner. </div><div><br></div><div>With that in mind, I think we currently have the correct normalization process. </div><div><br></div><div>Mike'a concern of throwing away too much data is a very valid, albeit completely different issue. That to me is less of a mathematical issue than a potentially contentious discussion about the subjectivity of our discipline. The argument to throw out highs and lows (I disagree with doing this) is based fundamentally on the assumption that those scores are wrong. The 10 was erroneous or the 0 was erroneous etc. In practice this only serves to call into question the quality of the judge. It was meant to counter the problem with regional "style" especially with regard to snaps and spins, where a spurious Zero could ruin a round. We've done a LOT to reduce these problems over the years and I think our overall judging is the best it's ever been. </div><div><br></div><div>Keeping rounds is slightly different in its intent. Only part of that is meant to address equipment reliability. Many many many sports reward consistency and still allow for a misstep. Athletic sports typically play series... Best 3of5, 4 of 7, etc. Subjective sport that don't do this (skating, gymnastics, etc) also don't have you perform more than once. We are a hybrid of the two. </div><div><br></div><div>My $0.02</div><div><br></div><div>Mark</div><div><br>Sent from my average intelligence phone<div><br></div></div><div><br>On Apr 29, 2014, at 6:02 PM, "Jas S" <<a href="mailto:justanotherflyr@gmail.com">justanotherflyr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Can the results be run normalized like normal to see if there are any changes? Would be interesting to see if anything changes. My guess is it probably won't, but might show any kind of difference between doing it this way and the other way.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Del R <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com" target="_blank">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Hi Mike.. While I concede it has
rarely happened in the past but their have been repeated occurrences d/t
possible judge overload, Miss understanding of maneuver being flown etc. some
have earned positive scores when a zero was deserved. My gripe with the current
system especially at the NATS settings is when the lowest scoring judge is
look at with suspicion when they are they only one who catches a zero maneuver.
On the surface of the data it appears to be the bad judge. In actuality the
other judges missed the zero. Again Compromise. I accept it is never done
intentionally by anyone but when judges work harder than pilots it makes me
question the system that is at times rewarding the wrong apple. Now I'm fairly
confident in the overall scheme of average flying over the season the
consistently best pilot is still truly the one who wins most often. My issue is
the lack of acknowledgment by those that control the direction of P.A. at times
are willing to throw out the baby with the bath water. The drive to
constantly make maneuvers more complex to challenge the pilots is rarely
evaluated to what it does to the people that are required to become familiar
with the constantly changing schedule depending on which class they are to be
called on to judge. Some have had to judge 3 and in rare cases 4 other classes
besides the one they are flying in. That isn't ideal either. With
everything being purely voluntary and some have to leave part way through
without judging skews the load. In the past some would even show up late to
register to attempt to avoid judging at all. If judging has become that
difficult then the community should be taking a hard look at how fledgling
pilots in the lower classes handle and accept those challenges. While some can
accept it quite readily others are not so adept. Do we slam the door on
their desire to compete and attend more contests. I have never seen the
community reverse any of it major changes when it has hurt attendance. The
priority is always for the betterment of FAI pilots in the WORLDS. While those
are admiral goals of the organization my contention is if they want to encourage
participation they need to change some of their priorities a little.
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<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"> Del</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
<a title="drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">Dr.
Michael Harrison, DDS</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">'General pattern
discussion'</a> </div>
</div><div><div class="h5"><div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:14
PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Bakersfield Bashscores areon the NSRCA website...</div>
<div><br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">and
data we are picking may not be the right data or we are throwing away
good data and possibly picking the wrong competitor,,,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Del
R<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> General
pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash
scores areon the NSRCA website...<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:blue;FONT-SIZE:10pt">Mike..
Over the years many of the negative down sides have been repeatedly pointed
out regarding using the current system and while I truly concur with your
opinion the ruling part sees nothing wrong with throwing away some rounds
which is against the very attribute they contend to support. If the overall
best average pilot shows up each round and does their best then they would
secure their place. Belittling any judges work manning the chair by throwing
away their work is counter-productive to the hard work they put in with
their calibrated eyeballs. It is all about what is an acceptable compromise.
In a perfect world all judges would be focused and catch every zero but when
the maneuvers are as complex as they have become it is a daunting task for new
pilots to master let alone feel comfortable about advancing to the point they
have to man the chair to compete. The sport has become so complex one
needs professional caller and when you have maintaince issues to tend to while
having to go man the chair makes it less than desirable. Maybe that is why
many are glad to have the choice of throwing one of their flights away.
</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:blue;FONT-SIZE:10pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
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Del</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a title="drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">Dr.
Michael Harrison, DDS</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">To:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">'General pattern
discussion'</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">Sent:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> Tuesday, April
29, 2014 11:51 AM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">Subject:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores areon the NSRCA
website...<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">My
2-1=1 cents, There is no perfect scoring system. The system used
at bakersfield regresses back to winning with a " BarnBurner score" on the
last flight of the contest and this suffers the dilemma of becoming the
popularity contest we used to deal with. Normalizing normally rewards
the consistently best pilot, however there are always exceptions and extreme
examples to the contrary. This holds true in all competitive events of
any type. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">I
believe where we fall short today is that we throw away too much data.
Examples would be dropping the high and low score of each flight,
dropping the worst flight at a contest, counting only 4 flights of contests
with more than 4 flights, throwing away previous flights at major events,
ie. eliminating the prelims scores at major events,
etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">With
the reliability of all our equipment and the technology present today, we
should do more to retain more of the judging we have
done.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">More
and more is being done via various methods(TBL, dropping high and low
scores, dropping worst flights, etc) to create an "average score" which is
erroneously considered the best most fair score. I believe this is a
mistake. I believe we should keep the high and low scores, the worst
flights, whatever. We don't really have the statistical data to do TBL
properly, in my opinion, it should be eliminated. It definitely has an
adverse affect on the judges ability to do his job.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">I
believe we should work to keep much more data. I believe we can create
systems to do that. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">On
another note, I believe this is one really good contest, would love to have
been there. Probably the premier "local" contest of the
nation.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Mike
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, <a href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net" target="_blank">ronlock@comcast.net</a>
wrote<u></u><u></u></p></div>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Ron
Lockhart<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">From:<span> </span></span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">"Mark Atwood" <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>><br>
<b>To:<span> </span></b>"General pattern discussion"
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent:<span> </span></b>Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:01:04
AM<br><b>Subject:<span> </span></b>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores are on
the NSRCA website...<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">It does
not normalize the rounds. One round can be worth more than another.
Easy vs hard judges, calm vs windy conditions, etc. Especially
with throw aways it's critical that all the round have the same "value".
<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">That
said, I can see an interest in normalizing to the average score, rather than
to the top score. It minimizes some of the variance when a key flyer
doesn't fly the round either due to a problem or simply choosing not to fly
after winning the first 4 rounds. Particularly in that last scenario,
it makes the remaining rounds much more valuable to the 2nd and 3rd place
flyers. <br><br>Sent from my average intelligence
phone<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><br>On Apr 28, 2014, at 8:27 PM,
"Peter Vogel" <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Well,
it's normalization of a sort, in that it's a percentage of perfect within
each class, so a 984 in Intermediate and a 984 in Sportsman mean the same
thing, you flew 98.4% of the perfect score (no, I haven't seen a score
that high! :-) <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Overall
though, I don't like the dynamic of it. It's very clear when you
have a highly critical set of judges, everyone pretty much drops that
round. Normalization to best is definitely a superior way for people
to see how they are doing relative to the best pilot in the round for a
particular set of judges, regardless of how critical (or not) they happen
to be. An interesting experiment, but I wouldn't recommend it for
future contests.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Peter+<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">On Mon,
Apr 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, John Gayer<span> </span><<a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>><span> </span>wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">It is a
misnomer to call what was used normalization. It is actually a reversion
to the pre-normalization scoring scheme of yesteryear. The only difference
from the old days is that by "normalizing" to a perfect score, you can
immediately see the average raw score per maneuver.<span style="COLOR:#888888"><br><span>John</span></span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">On
4/28/2014 6:15 PM, Anthony Romano wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<blockquote style="MARGIN-TOP:5pt;MARGIN-BOTTOM:5pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">So
why the change in normalization?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Anthony<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014
17:04:28 -0700<br>From:<span> </span><a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a><br>To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores are on the NSRCA
website...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Final
data from the contest is also available here:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><a href="http://www.patternscoring.com/560" target="_blank">http://www.patternscoring.com/560</a>, the per-contestant
report is considerably richer than what you get on<span> </span><a href="http://nsrca.us/" target="_blank">nsrca.us</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">I
also just completed an analysis of what would have happened if we'd
normalized to best instead of to perfect, the only class where it would
have made a difference in final placement was FAI Silver (MP15) where
Jon's win in one round and 2nd place rounds were closer to Sean's scores
than Dale's 2nd place rounds would have put him about 30 points over
Dale.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Peter+<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">On
Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Peter Vogel<span> </span><<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>><span> </span>wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">That's not the scoring
program, the XML says "Prelim", "1", "2" for the flight number, but the
web server's transformation is showing it as "1", "2" and
"0".<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Peter+<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">On
Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Derek Koopowitz<<a href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>><span> </span>wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">The
NSRCA website is back up and running again... our host was doing some
maintenance on the server. The scores for the Bakersfield
contest have been posted and just to let everyone
know...<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">1.
Every score is normalized to PERFECT, not to best
pilot<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">2.
Every AMA class flew 2 final rounds on Sunday using
unknowns<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">3.
Best 3 of 4 prelim rounds were AVERAGED to produce a SINGLE
round score to carry over into the finals.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">4.
Best 2 of 3 (prelim carry over + 2 final rounds = 3) count for
the final score.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">In FAI F,
Prelim carry over is shown as Round 1, Round 2 is first finals round,
and round 3 is the 2nd final round -- for some reason the scoring
program is showing that as round
0.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div>
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