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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>and data we are picking may not be the right data or we are
throwing away good data and possibly picking the wrong competitor,,,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Del R<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores areon the NSRCA
website...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Mike.. Over the years many of the negative down sides have been
repeatedly pointed out regarding using the current system and while I truly
concur with your opinion the ruling part sees nothing wrong with throwing away
some rounds which is against the very attribute they contend to support. If the
overall best average pilot shows up each round and does their best then they
would secure their place. Belittling any judges work manning the chair by
throwing away their work is counter-productive to the hard work they put
in with their calibrated eyeballs. It is all about what is an acceptable
compromise. In a perfect world all judges would be focused and catch every zero
but when the maneuvers are as complex as they have become it is a daunting task
for new pilots to master let alone feel comfortable about advancing to the
point they have to man the chair to compete. The sport has become so
complex one needs professional caller and when you have maintaince issues to
tend to while having to go man the chair makes it less than desirable. Maybe
that is why many are glad to have the choice of throwing one of their flights
away. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'> Del</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net"
title="drmikedds@sbcglobal.net">Dr. Michael Harrison, DDS</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern discussion'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, April 29,
2014 11:51 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores areon the NSRCA website...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My 2-1=1 cents, There is no perfect scoring system.
The system used at bakersfield regresses back to winning with a "
BarnBurner score" on the last flight of the contest and this suffers the
dilemma of becoming the popularity contest we used to deal with.
Normalizing normally rewards the consistently best pilot, however there are
always exceptions and extreme examples to the contrary. This holds true
in all competitive events of any type. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I believe where we fall short today is that we throw away too
much data. Examples would be dropping the high and low score of each
flight, dropping the worst flight at a contest, counting only 4 flights of
contests with more than 4 flights, throwing away previous flights at major events,
ie. eliminating the prelims scores at major events, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>With the reliability of all our equipment and the technology
present today, we should do more to retain more of the judging we have done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>More and more is being done via various methods(TBL, dropping
high and low scores, dropping worst flights, etc) to create an "average
score" which is erroneously considered the best most fair score. I
believe this is a mistake. I believe we should keep the high and low
scores, the worst flights, whatever. We don't really have the statistical
data to do TBL properly, in my opinion, it should be eliminated. It
definitely has an adverse affect on the judges ability to do his job. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I believe we should work to keep much more data. I believe
we can create systems to do that. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>On another note, I believe this is one really good contest,
would love to have been there. Probably the premier "local"
contest of the nation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mike <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Apr 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, <a
href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</a> wrote<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"Mark Atwood" <<a
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>><br>
<b>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>"General pattern
discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Tuesday, April 29,
2014 2:01:04 AM<br>
<b>Subject:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores are on
the NSRCA website...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It does not
normalize the rounds. One round can be worth more than another.
Easy vs hard judges, calm vs windy conditions, etc. Especially with
throw aways it's critical that all the round have the same "value".
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>That said, I
can see an interest in normalizing to the average score, rather than to the top
score. It minimizes some of the variance when a key flyer doesn't fly the
round either due to a problem or simply choosing not to fly after winning the
first 4 rounds. Particularly in that last scenario, it makes the
remaining rounds much more valuable to the 2nd and 3rd place flyers. <br>
<br>
Sent from my average intelligence phone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
On Apr 28, 2014, at 8:27 PM, "Peter Vogel" <<a
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Well, it's
normalization of a sort, in that it's a percentage of perfect within each
class, so a 984 in Intermediate and a 984 in Sportsman mean the same thing, you
flew 98.4% of the perfect score (no, I haven't seen a score that high! :-)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Overall
though, I don't like the dynamic of it. It's very clear when you have a
highly critical set of judges, everyone pretty much drops that round.
Normalization to best is definitely a superior way for people to see how
they are doing relative to the best pilot in the round for a particular set of
judges, regardless of how critical (or not) they happen to be. An
interesting experiment, but I wouldn't recommend it for future contests.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Peter+<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Mon, Apr
28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, John Gayer<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><<a
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It is a
misnomer to call what was used normalization. It is actually a reversion to the
pre-normalization scoring scheme of yesteryear. The only difference from the
old days is that by "normalizing" to a perfect score, you can
immediately see the average raw score per maneuver.<span style='color:#888888'><br>
<span class=hoenzb>John</span></span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On 4/28/2014
6:15 PM, Anthony Romano wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So why the
change in normalization?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Anthony<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Date:
Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:04:28 -0700<br>
From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a><br>
To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores are on the NSRCA
website...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Final data
from the contest is also available here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="http://www.patternscoring.com/560" target="_blank">http://www.patternscoring.com/560</a>,
the per-contestant report is considerably richer than what you get on<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://nsrca.us/"
target="_blank">nsrca.us</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I also just
completed an analysis of what would have happened if we'd normalized to best
instead of to perfect, the only class where it would have made a difference in
final placement was FAI Silver (MP15) where Jon's win in one round and 2nd
place rounds were closer to Sean's scores than Dale's 2nd place rounds would
have put him about 30 points over Dale.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Peter+<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Mon, Apr
28, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Peter Vogel<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><<a
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>That's not
the scoring program, the XML says "Prelim", "1",
"2" for the flight number, but the web server's transformation is
showing it as "1", "2" and "0".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Peter+<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Mon, Apr
28, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Derek Koopowitz<<a
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The NSRCA
website is back up and running again... our host was doing some maintenance on
the server. The scores for the Bakersfield contest have been posted and
just to let everyone know...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1.
Every score is normalized to PERFECT, not to best pilot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>2.
Every AMA class flew 2 final rounds on Sunday using unknowns<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>3.
Best 3 of 4 prelim rounds were AVERAGED to produce a SINGLE round score
to carry over into the finals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>4.
Best 2 of 3 (prelim carry over + 2 final rounds = 3) count for the final
score.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In
FAI F, Prelim carry over is shown as Round 1, Round 2 is first finals round,
and round 3 is the 2nd final round -- for some reason the scoring program is
showing that as round 0.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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border=0 width=200 height=154 id="_x0000_i1027"
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County Model Aircraft Skypark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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