<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Peter,</div><div><br></div><div>I think it’s way too premature to make this statement,</div><div><br></div><div>"Normalization to best is definitely a superior way for people to see how they are doing relative to the best pilot in the round for a particular set of judges, regardless of how critical (or not) they happen to be. An interesting experiment, but I wouldn’t recommend it for future contests.”</div><div><br></div><div>as it’s only been tried at one contest (this past past weekend) and there’s been no serious debate (after an appropriate period of trial implementation) as to the merits and disadvantages of this particular scoring approach. Every system has it’s advantages and disadvantages and they need to be fully discussed, vetted, and compared with the status quo. In my opinion there’s more upside than downside with this method, but then again I’m the one who proposed it at the NSRCA D7 Meeting at the AMA Expo last January. ;-) I’ve been asked to write an article for the K-Factor on my idea and have agreed to do so. All I ask is that people keep an open mind and not rush to judgement as that seldom yields a beneficial outcome when something new is being tried for the first time.</div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
<div>Jerry Budd</div><div><a href="mailto:jerrybudd@me.com">jerrybudd@me.com</a></div><div><br></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On Apr 28, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Well, it's normalization of a sort, in that it's a percentage of perfect within each class, so a 984 in Intermediate and a 984 in Sportsman mean the same thing, you flew 98.4% of the perfect score (no, I haven't seen a score that high! :-) <div>
<br></div><div>Overall though, I don't like the dynamic of it. It's very clear when you have a highly critical set of judges, everyone pretty much drops that round. Normalization to best is definitely a superior way for people to see how they are doing relative to the best pilot in the round for a particular set of judges, regardless of how critical (or not) they happen to be. An interesting experiment, but I wouldn't recommend it for future contests.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Peter+</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, John Gayer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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It is a misnomer to call what was used normalization. It is actually
a reversion to the pre-normalization scoring scheme of yesteryear.
The only difference from the old days is that by "normalizing" to a
perfect score, you can immediately see the average raw score per
maneuver.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<div>On 4/28/2014 6:15 PM, Anthony Romano
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<div dir="ltr">So why the change in normalization?
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<hr>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:04:28 -0700<br>
From: <a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores are
on the NSRCA website...<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Final data from the contest is also available
here:
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<div><a href="http://www.patternscoring.com/560" target="_blank">http://www.patternscoring.com/560</a>,
the per-contestant report is considerably richer than
what you get on <a href="http://nsrca.us/" target="_blank">nsrca.us</a><br>
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<div>I also just completed an analysis of what would have
happened if we'd normalized to best instead of to
perfect, the only class where it would have made a
difference in final placement was FAI Silver (MP15)
where Jon's win in one round and 2nd place rounds were
closer to Sean's scores than Dale's 2nd place rounds
would have put him about 30 points over Dale.</div>
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<div>On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:17
AM, Peter Vogel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">That's not the scoring program, the XML
says "Prelim", "1", "2" for the flight number, but
the web server's transformation is showing it as
"1", "2" and "0".
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<div>On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:07
AM, Derek Koopowitz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Everyone,
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<div>The NSRCA website is back up and
running again... our host was doing some
maintenance on the server. The scores
for the Bakersfield contest have been
posted and just to let everyone know...</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">1.
Every score is normalized to PERFECT,
not to best pilot</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">2.
Every AMA class flew 2 final rounds <span>on
Sunday</span> using
unknowns</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">3.
Best 3 of 4 prelim rounds were
AVERAGED to produce a SINGLE round
score to carry over into the finals.</div>
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4. Best 2 of 3 (prelim carry over + 2
final rounds = 3) count for the final
score.</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">In
FAI F, Prelim carry over is shown as
Round 1, Round 2 is first finals
round, and round 3 is the 2nd final
round -- for some reason the scoring
program is showing that as round 0.<br>
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