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<P><B>From: </B>"Mark Atwood" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR><B>To: </B>"General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B>Sent: </B>Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:01:04 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores are on the NSRCA website...<BR><BR></P>
<DIV>It does not normalize the rounds. One round can be worth more than another. Easy vs hard judges, calm vs windy conditions, etc. Especially with throw aways it's critical that all the round have the same "value". </DIV>
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<DIV>That said, I can see an interest in normalizing to the average score, rather than to the top score. It minimizes some of the variance when a key flyer doesn't fly the round either due to a problem or simply choosing not to fly after winning the first 4 rounds. Particularly in that last scenario, it makes the remaining rounds much more valuable to the 2nd and 3rd place flyers. <BR><BR>Sent from my average intelligence phone
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<DIV><BR>On Apr 28, 2014, at 8:27 PM, "Peter Vogel" <<A href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target=_blank>vogel.peter@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Well, it's normalization of a sort, in that it's a percentage of perfect within each class, so a 984 in Intermediate and a 984 in Sportsman mean the same thing, you flew 98.4% of the perfect score (no, I haven't seen a score that high! :-)
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<DIV>Overall though, I don't like the dynamic of it. It's very clear when you have a highly critical set of judges, everyone pretty much drops that round. Normalization to best is definitely a superior way for people to see how they are doing relative to the best pilot in the round for a particular set of judges, regardless of how critical (or not) they happen to be. An interesting experiment, but I wouldn't recommend it for future contests.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, John Gayer <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target=_blank>jgghome@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>It is a misnomer to call what was used normalization. It is actually a reversion to the pre-normalization scoring scheme of yesteryear. The only difference from the old days is that by "normalizing" to a perfect score, you can immediately see the average raw score per maneuver.<SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT color=#888888><BR>John</FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV>On 4/28/2014 6:15 PM, Anthony Romano wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>So why the change in normalization?
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:04:28 -0700<BR>From: <A href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target=_blank>vogel.peter@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Bakersfield Bash scores are on the NSRCA website...<BR><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr>Final data from the contest is also available here:
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<DIV><A href="http://www.patternscoring.com/560" target=_blank>http://www.patternscoring.com/560</A>, the per-contestant report is considerably richer than what you get on <A href="http://nsrca.us/" target=_blank>nsrca.us</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I also just completed an analysis of what would have happened if we'd normalized to best instead of to perfect, the only class where it would have made a difference in final placement was FAI Silver (MP15) where Jon's win in one round and 2nd place rounds were closer to Sean's scores than Dale's 2nd place rounds would have put him about 30 points over Dale.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Peter Vogel <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target=_blank>vogel.peter@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>That's not the scoring program, the XML says "Prelim", "1", "2" for the flight number, but the web server's transformation is showing it as "1", "2" and "0".
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<DIV>On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Derek Koopowitz <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" target=_blank>derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>The NSRCA website is back up and running again... our host was doing some maintenance on the server. The scores for the Bakersfield contest have been posted and just to let everyone know...</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif">1. Every score is normalized to PERFECT, not to best pilot</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif">2. Every AMA class flew 2 final rounds <SPAN><SPAN>on Sunday</SPAN></SPAN> using unknowns</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif">3. Best 3 of 4 prelim rounds were AVERAGED to produce a SINGLE round score to carry over into the finals.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif">4. Best 2 of 3 (prelim carry over + 2 final rounds = 3) count for the final score.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif">In FAI F, Prelim carry over is shown as Round 1, Round 2 is first finals round, and round 3 is the 2nd final round -- for some reason the scoring program is showing that as round 0.<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=_blank>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><SPAN><FONT color=#888888><BR></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#888888><BR><BR clear=all>
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