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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle55><font size=2 color="#003300"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Thank you for that opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle55><font size=2 color="#003300"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I tend to agree, especially with FAI and the complex non-symmetrical geometry.
It makes judging center more accurate since we don’t have reference lines
extending into our line of vision making as presenter more subjective.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle55><font size=2 color="#003300"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Atwood, Mark<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 11, 2014 9:39
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA General<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Only my
opinion, but I think we need to judge “as intended” simply because anything
else will be far too difficult to execute consistently. As you mentioned,
maneuvers like a cuban eight, 4-point, figure M, etc, all have well defined
INTENDED centers which make judging center fairly easy, leaving more mental
horsepower to evaluate the rest of the maneuver. If we have to start
waiting until the completion of the presented maneuver to try (and Try is a key
word since truly evaluating center on a long, large, poorly performed maneuver
is subjective at best) then I think we’ll be significantly lowering our quality
of judging.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Apr 11,
2014, at 12:08 PM, J N Hiller <<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
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<div link="blue" vlink="blue">Since this was attached to my earlier post I’ll
respond.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle54><u1:p></u1:p><font
size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The question I’m left with is:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle54><u1:p></u1:p><font
size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Is center based on correct geometry or geometry that
is - or - can be flown incorrectly, such as a non vertical extending the side
of the maneuver beyond the finish of the ¼ R – or – a ¾ loop that has the
correct R from a starting point offset towards center forcing the center of the
¾ loop off center – or – a ¾ loop with a larger radius also off center relative
to the start of the ¼ R.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle54><font
size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Are we judging “As Presented or Intended”?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle54><u1:p></u1:p><font
size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If “As Intended”; apply the same concept to other
maneuvers such as a Cuban eight. If the crossover is on center, is the maneuver
centered even thought it may have un-equal ¾ loops elongating one side?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle54><u1:p></u1:p><font
size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Again are we judging “As Presented or Intended”?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle54><u1:p></u1:p><font
size=2 color="#993366" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><u1:p></u1:p>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Don Ramsey<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 11, 2014 4:40
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u1:p></u1:p>I
don’t understand what the problem is with this maneuver. The Powerpoint for
F-15 is incorrect on the NSRCA site. Peter Uhlig did the original and
this is what he originally drew. I contacted Michael Ramel about this and
Peter updated the presentation. It is really simple. The entry loop
starts at center, the upline is then displaced from center, the upper loop is
centered and the integrated roll is centered on the pole. That means the
model comes through center level upright. Entry and exit lines have no
bearing on the centering of the loop, the main criteria is the entry radius
defines the size of the loop on top. Peter’s latest Powerpoint shows this
clearly and has been confirmed by the F3A chairman.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Don<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
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size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>J N Hiller<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 7:25
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><span class=EmailStyle51><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I’m one of the
folks that sit in the chair and judge this stuff.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><span class=EmailStyle51><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Referencing - 2014
FAI Sporting Code - F3 Aerobatics.pdf - under lines 5B.8.3, entry and
exit lines need to be horizontal and of recognizable length. I understand this
to mean, not equal in length and no specific length. Both lines could be within
the boundary of the geometry.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><span class=EmailStyle51><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Perfect geometry
with equal radiuses wound center on the start of the ¼ R, but cannot be
confirmed until the ¾ loop radius is judged to be equal. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><span class=EmailStyle51><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>A maneuver having
un-equal radiuses would center the maneuver to no predefined point which will
be somewhere within the 3/4 loop.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><span class=EmailStyle51><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>A larger radius ¾
loop would offset the center towards the entrance side where a smaller radius ¾
loop would offset the center towards the exit side neither of which will be
directly above the start of the ¼ loop. Understanding this, there can be no
pre-stated center reference.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><span class=EmailStyle51><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><span class=EmailStyle51><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Spokane<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span class=EmailStyle51><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jas S<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:54
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>If there was
a roll on the exit, then I think we would be in the 'somewhere' center right? <br>
<br>
Time for dinner, need to replenish... </span><u1:p></u1:p></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Tue, Apr
8, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Jas S <<a href="mailto:justanotherflyr@gmail.com"
target="_blank">justanotherflyr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='mso-element:para-border-div'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:112.8pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><a
href="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-pattern-flying-101/11596737-f-15-figure-9-centerline-question.html"
target="_blank">http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-pattern-flying-101/11596737-f-15-figure-9-centerline-question.html</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:112.8pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Post #8<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:112.8pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:112.8pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Tue, Apr
8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Jas S <<a href="mailto:justanotherflyr@gmail.com"
target="_blank">justanotherflyr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:117.6pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='mso-element:para-border-div'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Oh yea,
forgot about those lol. Being in a straight line, the 'line' (whole maneuver)
is centered with those.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:117.6pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Someone
posted a drawing of the 9 on RCU, and while the center is the whole maneuver
works, isn't it going to be the center of the loops/roll when done correctly?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:117.6pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:117.6pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Tue, Apr
8, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Derek Koopowitz <<a
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>So in
years past we’ve had a 1 ½ snap roll followed by a 2 ½ rolls in the opposite
direction. Where is the center on that maneuver? The center is the
mid-point between the start and finish of the maneuver (including straight line
in and straight line out). There is no definitive middle to these types
of maneuvers and so a statement that it is “somewhere in between the 2 ½ rolls”
would be accurate as well – it depends on how fast/slow those rolls were done.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='mso-element:para-border-div'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.7in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>
<div style='mso-element:para-border-div'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:03
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.7in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.7in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='mso-element:para-border-div'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.7in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Derek,<br>
"Somewhere in the 3/4 loop portion" is awfully vague and unjudgeable.
I could buy anywhere in the 3/4 loop portion but not somewhere.<br>
The center you are describing would appear to be affected somehow by the entry
and exit lines of the maneuver as per your description in the March K-Factor. I
don't see that. This maneuver(figure 9) could be described as a single loop
with a straight vertical line between the first quadrant and the last three
quadrants. What rolls occur do not affect that basic shape. That places the
center of the maneuver at the initial pullup into a quarter loop just as it
would for a simple loop. The apex of the 3/4 loop would also be on the
centerline and so would the return to level flight at the exit.<br>
As far as the straight line entry and exit being somehow offset, I don't see
that either. The entry line ends at the quarter loop pullup and exit line
begins upon completion of the 3/4 loop. Those two points should form a vertical
line. I see that as the maneuver centerline as well.<br>
It's certainly true that the aresti shows the wrong center and it is certainly
true that the sub-committee chair has the last word but he should be using a
better word than "somewhere".<br>
John<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:1.7in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On 4/8/2014 3:22 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.2in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='mso-element:para-border-div'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Anthony,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:2.2in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:2.2in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>This shouldn’t be
confusing at all… the center of the maneuver is the middle point between the
start and end of the maneuver. How much more simple can it get?
The statement that the “middle should be somewhere in the ¾ loop portion”
is correct – depending on the size of the ¾ loop which must match the radius of
the ¼ loop from horizontal to vertical when the maneuver starts. That
center portion will change for every pilot as each pilot will fly it
differently.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:2.2in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:2.2in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>Your comment about
“many outside the US” isn’t accurate – if they see it differently then they are
incorrect. The clarification I got is straight from the F3 sub-committee
chair…<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:2.2in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:2.2in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>-Derek<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:2.2in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:2.2in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>
<div style='mso-element:para-border-div'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Anthony Romano<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014
11:27 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:2.2in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='mso-element:para-border-div'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:2.2in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Would love to see a
review of maneuver 13 of the Finals sequence. In the March Kfactor the center
was described as "should be the middle of the maneuver somewhere
in the ¾ loop portion." While the many outside the US see it that the
loop is centered and the Aresti in the latest FAI sporting code show the upline
being centered.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014
09:28:00 -0700<br>
From: <a href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net" target="_blank">joncarter60@comcast.net</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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auto;margin-left:2.2in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hey guys - we got an
excellent suggestion from the group for last month's article so I thought I
would ask again! Anyone have a burning maneuver or judging question? Just let
me know.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Judging Committee
Chairman<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
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