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<div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: transparent;">I don't agree with your sentence,<font size="4"> "<span class="EmailStyle20"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Perfect geometry with equal radiuses wound center on the start of the ¼ R, but cannot be confirmed until the ¾ loop radius is judged to be equal. " </span></font></span></font></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: transparent;"><font size="4"><span class="EmailStyle20"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></font></span></font></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: transparent;"><font size="4"><span class="EmailStyle20"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></font></span></font></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: transparent;"><span class="EmailStyle20"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="4"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Since the loops are supposed to be equal in size, the start of the 1/4 loop to vertical defines the center of the maneuver. </span></font></span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: transparent;"><span class="EmailStyle20"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="4"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">That should be on the center pole. And in FAI, the first radius determines the radii for the entire maneuver (5B.8.4) As I said in a previous post, since that is center, then the top 3/4 loop must have the same center. Just because they do the top wrong, not matching the first radius, does not change the center of the entire maneuver.</span></font></span></font></div>
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<div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: J N Hiller <jnhiller@earthlink.net><br>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Tue, Apr 8, 2014 7:25 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair<br>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 6.0pt;"><span class="EmailStyle20"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">I’m one of the folks that sit in the chair and judge this stuff.</span></font></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 6.0pt;"><span class="EmailStyle20"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Referencing - 2014 FAI Sporting Code - F3 Aerobatics.pdf <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>- under lines 5B.8.3, entry and exit
lines need to be horizontal and of recognizable length. I understand this to
mean, not equal in length and no specific length. Both lines could be within
the boundary of the geometry.</span></font></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 6.0pt;"><span class="EmailStyle20"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Perfect geometry with equal radiuses wound center on the start of the ¼ R,
but cannot be confirmed until the ¾ loop radius is judged to be equal. </span></font></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 6.0pt;"><span class="EmailStyle20"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">A maneuver having un-equal radiuses would center the maneuver to no
predefined point which will be somewhere within the 3/4 loop.</span></font></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 6.0pt;"><span class="EmailStyle20"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">A larger radius ¾ loop would offset the center towards the entrance side
where a smaller radius ¾ loop would offset the center towards the exit side
neither of which will be directly above the start of the ¼ loop. Understanding
this, there can be no pre-stated center reference.</span></font></span></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
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[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Jas S<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:54
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair</span></font></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">If there was
a roll on the exit, then I think we would be in the 'somewhere' center right? <br>
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Time for dinner, need to replenish... </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">On Tue, Apr
8, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Jas S <<a href="mailto:justanotherflyr@gmail.com">justanotherflyr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0in; border: currentColor; margin-left: 40.8pt; mso-border-left-alt: solid #CCCCCC .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Jas S <<a href="mailto:justanotherflyr@gmail.com">justanotherflyr@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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forgot about those lol. Being in a straight line, the 'line' (whole maneuver)
is centered with those.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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the whole maneuver works, isn't it going to be the center of the loops/roll
when done correctly?</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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<div bgcolor="white" vlink="#954F72" link="#0563C1"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2">So in years past we’ve had
a 1 ½ snap roll followed by a 2 ½ rolls in the opposite direction. Where
is the center on that maneuver? The center is the mid-point between the
start and finish of the maneuver (including straight line in and straight line
out). There is no definitive middle to these types of maneuvers and so a
statement that it is “somewhere in between the 2 ½ rolls” would be accurate as
well – it depends on how fast/slow those rolls were done.</font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:03
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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"Somewhere in the 3/4 loop portion" is awfully vague and unjudgeable.
I could buy anywhere in the 3/4 loop portion but not somewhere.<br>
The center you are describing would appear to be affected somehow by the entry
and exit lines of the maneuver as per your description in the March K-Factor. I
don't see that. This maneuver(figure 9) could be described as a single loop
with a straight vertical line between the first quadrant and the last three
quadrants. What rolls occur do not affect that basic shape. That places the
center of the maneuver at the initial pullup into a quarter loop just as it
would for a simple loop. The apex of the 3/4 loop would also be on the
centerline and so would the return to level flight at the exit.<br>
As far as the straight line entry and exit being somehow offset, I don't see
that either. The entry line ends at the quarter loop pullup and exit line
begins upon completion of the 3/4 loop. Those two points should form a vertical
line. I see that as the maneuver centerline as well.<br>
It's certainly true that the aresti shows the wrong center and it is certainly
true that the sub-committee chair has the last word but he should be using a
better word than "somewhere".<br>
John</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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3:22 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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shouldn’t be confusing at all… the center of the maneuver is the middle point
between the start and end of the maneuver. How much more simple can it
get? The statement that the “middle should be somewhere in the ¾
loop portion” is correct – depending on the size of the ¾ loop which must match
the radius of the ¼ loop from horizontal to vertical when the maneuver
starts. That center portion will change for every pilot as each pilot
will fly it differently.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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comment about “many outside the US” isn’t accurate – if they see it differently
then they are incorrect. The clarification I got is straight from the F3
sub-committee chair…</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Anthony Romano<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014
11:27 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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love to see a review of maneuver 13 of the Finals sequence. In the March
Kfactor the center was described as "should be the middle of the
maneuver somewhere in the ¾ loop portion." While the many
outside the US see it that the loop is centered and the Aresti in the latest
FAI sporting code show the upline being centered.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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Tue, 8 Apr 2014 09:28:00 -0700<br>
From: <a href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net">joncarter60@comcast.net</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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guys - we got an excellent suggestion from the group for last month's article
so I thought I would ask again! Anyone have a burning maneuver or judging
question? Just let me know.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;"></span></font></div>
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