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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Something
else comes to mind.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If the
center of the as flown maneuver is other than the start of the ¼ R and is down
graded for being off center, is this double jeopardy since it resulted from the
previous downgraded radius error? One downgrade or two?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jon Lowe<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 5:37
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I don't
agree with your sentence,</span></font><font size=4 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> "</span></font><span
class=emailstyle20><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Perfect
geometry with equal radiuses wound center on the start of the ¼ R, but cannot
be confirmed until the ¾ loop radius is judged to be equal. " </span></font></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Since the loops are supposed to be equal
in size, the start of the 1/4 loop to vertical defines the center of the
maneuver. </span></font></span><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle20><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>That should be on the center
pole. And in FAI, the first radius determines the radii for the entire
maneuver (5B.8.4) As I said in a previous post, since that is center,
then the top 3/4 loop must have the same center. Just because they do the
top wrong, not matching the first radius, does not change the center of
the entire maneuver.</span></font></span><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=4 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Jon</span></font></span><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: J N Hiller <jnhiller@earthlink.net><br>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Tue, Apr 8, 2014 7:25 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div id="AOLMsgPart_2_418d1e1c-cf55-48e2-a62f-2637ec4b4c49">
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle20><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>
<div vlink="blue" link="blue">I’m one of the folks that sit in the chair and
judge this stuff.</span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle20><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Referencing - 2014 FAI Sporting Code - F3 Aerobatics.pdf<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>- under lines 5B.8.3, entry and exit lines
need to be horizontal and of recognizable length. I understand this to mean,
not equal in length and no specific length. Both lines could be within the
boundary of the geometry.</span></font></span><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle20><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Perfect geometry with equal radiuses wound center on the
start of the ¼ R, but cannot be confirmed until the ¾ loop radius is judged to
be equal. </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle20><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>A maneuver having un-equal radiuses would center the maneuver
to no predefined point which will be somewhere within the 3/4 loop.</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle20><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>A larger radius ¾ loop would offset the center towards the
entrance side where a smaller radius ¾ loop would offset the center towards the
exit side neither of which will be directly above the start of the ¼ loop.
Understanding this, there can be no pre-stated center reference.</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle20><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Jim Hiller</span></font></span><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle20><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Spokane</span></font></span><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span class=emailstyle20><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jas S<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:54
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
6.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>If there was
a roll on the exit, then I think we would be in the 'somewhere' center right? <br>
<br>
Time for dinner, need to replenish... </span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:black'>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Jas S <<a
href="mailto:justanotherflyr@gmail.com">justanotherflyr@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:76.8pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:black'><a
href="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-pattern-flying-101/11596737-f-15-figure-9-centerline-question.html"
target="_blank">http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-pattern-flying-101/11596737-f-15-figure-9-centerline-question.html</a></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:black'>Post #8</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:black'> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:76.8pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:black'>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Jas S <<a
href="mailto:justanotherflyr@gmail.com">justanotherflyr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div style='border:currentColor'>Oh yea, forgot about those lol. Being in a
straight line, the 'line' (whole maneuver) is centered with those.</div>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:black'>Someone posted a drawing of the 9 on RCU, and while the center is the
whole maneuver works, isn't it going to be the center of the loops/roll when
done correctly?</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div bgcolor="white" vlink="#954F72" link="#0563C1">So in years past we’ve had a
1 ½ snap roll followed by a 2 ½ rolls in the opposite direction. Where is
the center on that maneuver? The center is the mid-point between the
start and finish of the maneuver (including straight line in and straight line
out). There is no definitive middle to these types of maneuvers and so a
statement that it is “somewhere in between the 2 ½ rolls” would be accurate as
well – it depends on how fast/slow those rolls were done.</span></font><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Gayer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:03
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion</span></font></div>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
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color:black'>Derek,<br>
"Somewhere in the 3/4 loop portion" is awfully vague and unjudgeable.
I could buy anywhere in the 3/4 loop portion but not somewhere.<br>
The center you are describing would appear to be affected somehow by the entry
and exit lines of the maneuver as per your description in the March K-Factor. I
don't see that. This maneuver(figure 9) could be described as a single loop
with a straight vertical line between the first quadrant and the last three
quadrants. What rolls occur do not affect that basic shape. That places the
center of the maneuver at the initial pullup into a quarter loop just as it
would for a simple loop. The apex of the 3/4 loop would also be on the
centerline and so would the return to level flight at the exit.<br>
As far as the straight line entry and exit being somehow offset, I don't see
that either. The entry line ends at the quarter loop pullup and exit line
begins upon completion of the 3/4 loop. Those two points should form a vertical
line. I see that as the maneuver centerline as well.<br>
It's certainly true that the aresti shows the wrong center and it is certainly
true that the sub-committee chair has the last word but he should be using a
better word than "somewhere".<br>
John</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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color:black'>On 4/8/2014 3:22 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:</span></font><font
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<div style='border:currentColor'>Anthony,</div>
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>This shouldn’t be confusing at all… the center of the
maneuver is the middle point between the start and end of the maneuver.
How much more simple can it get? The statement that the “middle
should be somewhere in the ¾ loop portion” is correct – depending on the size
of the ¾ loop which must match the radius of the ¼ loop from horizontal to
vertical when the maneuver starts. That center portion will change for
every pilot as each pilot will fly it differently.</span></font><font size=2
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size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D'>Your comment about “many outside the US” isn’t accurate –
if they see it differently then they are incorrect. The clarification I
got is straight from the F3 sub-committee chair…</span></font><font size=2
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color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Anthony Romano<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014
11:27 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>From the Judges Chair</span></font></div>
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size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Would love to see a review of maneuver 13 of the Finals sequence.
In the March Kfactor the center was described as "should be the
middle of the maneuver somewhere in the ¾ loop portion."
While the many outside the US see it that the loop is centered and the Aresti
in the latest FAI sporting code show the upline being centered.</span></font><font
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<div style='border:currentColor'>Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 09:28:00 -0700<br>
From: <a href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net">joncarter60@comcast.net</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair</div>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Hey guys - we got an excellent suggestion from the group for last
month's article so I thought I would ask again! Anyone have a burning maneuver
or judging question? Just let me know.</span></font><font size=2 color=black
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