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Derek,<br>
Where are you finding the information that the radii are allowed to
be of different sizes for this specific maneuver as you show in your
diagram?<br>
<br>
From the sporting code we have:<br>
<font color="#3366ff">5B.8.4. LOOPS <br>
A loop must have by definition, a constant radius, and must be
performed in the vertical plane <br>
throughout. It is entered and exited by a well defined line which,
for a complete loop, is horizontal. <br>
For a part-loop, however, such lines may be in any other plane of
flight as required by the <br>
particular manoeuvre. <br>
Loops and part-loops within one manoeuvre must have the same
radius. Each occurrence of a <br>
slight difference in radius must downgrade the manoeuvre by 1
point, while more severe deviations <br>
may downgrade it by 2 or 3 points for each occurrence. The radius
of the first loop or part-loop, <br>
determines the radii of subsequent loops or part-loops within one
manoeuvre. <br>
<br>
<font color="#000000">In order to look at this maneuver as not
requiring equal radii for all part loops, I would say there has
to be a specific statement exempting this maneuver from 5B.8.4.
I can't find such a statement, which doesn't mean it doesn't
exist. It does seem to be accepted, for example, that the knife
edge wingover in P15 will have equal radii throughout, even
though the plane of rotation is different.<br>
John<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/8/2014 5:55 PM, Derek Koopowitz
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">John,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One
always has to take into account the entry/exit lines… it’s
not defined on how long they are but that they must exist
and if we take an entry and exit line length of 15 meters
(for example) then the exit line of 15 meters starts when
the ¾ loop is completed and hits the horizontal and the 15
meters entry line starts (obviously) 15 meters before the
radius is started. If that’s the case then a tight entry
radius was done and a large loop at the top was done, then
where would the center be for judging purposes? If done
correctly, yes, I do agree that the center of the maneuver
should be reasonably close to the top of the loop. One
shouldn’t look at this maneuver for a center that will be
consistent for each pilot. The center will be different –
it is the mid-point between the start and end.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In
the example below – the horizontal lines are identical in
length but with a small (tight) entry radius and a large
loop – where is the center? Check out the next picture…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img id="Picture_x0020_1"
src="cid:part1.07050406.08090007@comcast.net" height="234"
width="171"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img id="Picture_x0020_2"
src="cid:part2.09090104.07060508@comcast.net" height="355"
width="229"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now
look at this picture with the radii the same and with
identical entry / exit line lengths… where is center?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img id="Picture_x0020_3"
src="cid:part3.07040906.02050802@comcast.net" height="459"
width="263"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hopefully
this helps…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-Derek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>John Gayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges
Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Derek,<br>
The input radius of the first quarter loop is part of the
maneuver and defines the radius of the 3/4 loop. If you
initiate the 1/4 loop on the center pole, the center of the
maneuver does not shift with radius size and is centered in
the box. In other words,size doesn't matter.<br>
John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/8/2014 4:24 PM, Derek Koopowitz
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
don’t think you can leave off the input radius because the
input radius size will change where center is located.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jas S<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] >From the Judges
Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I've
always enjoyed that pattern had definition
(centers, box...) and that's why I don't fly IMAC
but once a year if at that. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the start of the 9 is at the
bottom 1/4 loop (minus entry line),<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and the end is at the end of the
3/4 loop (minus the exit line),<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and the bottom and top radii are
equal (as are the entry and exit lines),<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">wouldn't the center be the start of the
bottom loop/middle of roll/top of 3/4 loop/finish of 3/4
loop?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:05 PM,
Daniel Underkofler <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:underdw@gmail.com" target="_blank">underdw@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you! My thoughts exactly<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:02
PM, John Gayer <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"
target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Derek,<br>
"Somewhere in the 3/4 loop portion" is
awfully vague and unjudgeable. I could buy
anywhere in the 3/4 loop portion but not
somewhere.<br>
The center you are describing would appear
to be affected somehow by the entry and
exit lines of the maneuver as per your
description in the March K-Factor. I don't
see that. This maneuver(figure 9) could be
described as a single loop with a straight
vertical line between the first quadrant
and the last three quadrants. What rolls
occur do not affect that basic shape. That
places the center of the maneuver at the
initial pullup into a quarter loop just as
it would for a simple loop. The apex of
the 3/4 loop would also be on the
centerline and so would the return to
level flight at the exit.<br>
As far as the straight line entry and exit
being somehow offset, I don't see that
either. The entry line ends at the quarter
loop pullup and exit line begins upon
completion of the 3/4 loop. Those two
points should form a vertical line. I see
that as the maneuver centerline as well.<br>
It's certainly true that the aresti shows
the wrong center and it is certainly true
that the sub-committee chair has the last
word but he should be using a better word
than "somewhere".<br>
John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4/8/2014 3:22 PM,
Derek Koopowitz wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Anthony,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
shouldn’t be confusing at all… the
center of the maneuver is the middle
point between the start and end of
the maneuver. How much more simple
can it get? The statement that the
“middle should be somewhere in the ¾
loop portion” is correct – depending
on the size of the ¾ loop which must
match the radius of the ¼ loop from
horizontal to vertical when the
maneuver starts. That center
portion will change for every pilot
as each pilot will fly it
differently.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Your
comment about “many outside the US”
isn’t accurate – if they see it
differently then they are
incorrect. The clarification I got
is straight from the F3
sub-committee chair…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-Derek</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony
Romano<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 08,
2014 11:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] From the
Judges Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Would
love to see a review of maneuver
13 of the Finals sequence. In the
March Kfactor the center was
described as "should be the
middle of the maneuver somewhere
in the ¾ loop portion." While the
many outside the US see it that
the loop is centered and the
Aresti in the latest FAI sporting
code show the upline being
centered.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">A bit
confusing,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date:
Tue, 8 Apr 2014 09:28:00 -0700<br>
From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net"
target="_blank">joncarter60@comcast.net</a><br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
From the Judges Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hey guys
- we got an excellent
suggestion from the group
for last month's article so
I thought I would ask again!
Anyone have a burning
maneuver or judging
question? Just let me know.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jon
Carter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Judging
Committee Chairman</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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