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<DIV><FONT size=4>It would sure be more clear if 5B.8.3 wording was “maneuvers
are<STRONG> preceded</STRONG> and <STRONG>followed</STRONG>” by a horizontal
line...... thereby making them clearly required, but “outside” the actual
maneuver. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">Derek Koopowitz</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 5:24 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern discussion'</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges
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don’t think you can leave off the input radius because the input radius size
will change where center is located.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jas
S<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] >From the Judges
Chair<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">I've always enjoyed that pattern
had definition (centers, box...) and that's why I don't fly IMAC but once a year
if at that. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>If the start of the 9 is at the bottom 1/4 loop (minus entry
line),<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>and the end is at the end of the 3/4 loop (minus the exit
line),<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>and the bottom and top radii are equal (as are the entry and
exit lines),<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>wouldn't the center be the start of the bottom loop/middle of
roll/top of 3/4 loop/finish of 3/4 loop?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Daniel Underkofler <<A
href="mailto:underdw@gmail.com" target=_blank>underdw@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Thank you! My thoughts exactly<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, John Gayer <<A
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target=_blank>jgghome@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Derek,<BR>"Somewhere in the 3/4 loop portion" is awfully
vague and unjudgeable. I could buy anywhere in the 3/4 loop portion but not
somewhere.<BR>The center you are describing would appear to be affected
somehow by the entry and exit lines of the maneuver as per your description
in the March K-Factor. I don't see that. This maneuver(figure 9) could be
described as a single loop with a straight vertical line between the first
quadrant and the last three quadrants. What rolls occur do not affect that
basic shape. That places the center of the maneuver at the initial pullup
into a quarter loop just as it would for a simple loop. The apex of the 3/4
loop would also be on the centerline and so would the return to level flight
at the exit.<BR>As far as the straight line entry and exit being somehow
offset, I don't see that either. The entry line ends at the quarter loop
pullup and exit line begins upon completion of the 3/4 loop. Those two
points should form a vertical line. I see that as the maneuver centerline as
well.<BR>It's certainly true that the aresti shows the wrong center and it
is certainly true that the sub-committee chair has the last word but he
should be using a better word than "somewhere".<BR>John<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 4/8/2014 3:22 PM, Derek Koopowitz
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Anthony,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>This
shouldn’t be confusing at all… the center of the maneuver is the middle
point between the start and end of the maneuver. How much more
simple can it get? The statement that the “middle should be
somewhere in the ¾ loop portion” is correct – depending on the size of the
¾ loop which must match the radius of the ¼ loop from horizontal to
vertical when the maneuver starts. That center portion will change
for every pilot as each pilot will fly it
differently.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Your
comment about “many outside the US” isn’t accurate – if they see it
differently then they are incorrect. The clarification I got is
straight from the F3 sub-committee chair…</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>-Derek</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Anthony Romano<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:27
AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Would love to see a review of
maneuver 13 of the Finals sequence. In the March Kfactor the center was
described as "should be the middle of the maneuver somewhere in the ¾ loop
portion." While the many outside the US see it that the loop is centered
and the Aresti in the latest FAI sporting code show the upline being
centered.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>A bit
confusing,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Anthony</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 09:28:00
-0700<BR>From: <A href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net"
target=_blank>joncarter60@comcast.net</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hey guys - we got an excellent
suggestion from the group for last month's article so I thought I would
ask again! Anyone have a burning maneuver or judging question? Just let me
know.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jon
Carter</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Judging Committee
Chairman</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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