<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>I've always enjoyed that pattern had definition (centers, box...) and that's why I don't fly IMAC but once a year if at that. <br><br></div>If the start of the 9 is at the bottom 1/4 loop (minus entry line),<br>
</div>and the end is at the end of the 3/4 loop (minus the exit line),<br></div>and the bottom and top radii are equal (as are the entry and exit lines),<br></div>wouldn't the center be the start of the bottom loop/middle of roll/top of 3/4 loop/finish of 3/4 loop?<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Daniel Underkofler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:underdw@gmail.com" target="_blank">underdw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thank you! My thoughts exactly</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, John Gayer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Derek,<br>
"Somewhere in the 3/4 loop portion" is awfully vague and
unjudgeable. I could buy anywhere in the 3/4 loop portion but not
somewhere.<br>
The center you are describing would appear to be affected somehow by
the entry and exit lines of the maneuver as per your description in
the March K-Factor. I don't see that. This maneuver(figure 9) could
be described as a single loop with a straight vertical line between
the first quadrant and the last three quadrants. What rolls occur do
not affect that basic shape. That places the center of the maneuver
at the initial pullup into a quarter loop just as it would for a
simple loop. The apex of the 3/4 loop would also be on the
centerline and so would the return to level flight at the exit.<br>
As far as the straight line entry and exit being somehow offset, I
don't see that either. The entry line ends at the quarter loop
pullup and exit line begins upon completion of the 3/4 loop. Those
two points should form a vertical line. I see that as the maneuver
centerline as well.<br>
It's certainly true that the aresti shows the wrong center and it is
certainly true that the sub-committee chair has the last word but he
should be using a better word than "somewhere".<br>
John<br>
<div>On 4/8/2014 3:22 PM, Derek Koopowitz
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Anthony,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This
shouldn’t be confusing at all… the center of the maneuver is
the middle point between the start and end of the maneuver.
How much more simple can it get? The statement that the
“middle should be somewhere in the ¾ loop portion” is
correct – depending on the size of the ¾ loop which must
match the radius of the ¼ loop from horizontal to vertical
when the maneuver starts. That center portion will change
for every pilot as each pilot will fly it differently.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Your
comment about “many outside the US” isn’t accurate – if they
see it differently then they are incorrect. The
clarification I got is straight from the F3 sub-committee
chair…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">-Derek<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Anthony Romano<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges
Chair<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Would
love to see a review of maneuver 13 of the Finals
sequence. In the March Kfactor the center was described as
"should be the middle of the maneuver somewhere in the ¾
loop portion." While the many outside the US see it that
the loop is centered and the Aresti in the latest FAI
sporting code show the upline being centered.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">A
bit confusing,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Anthony<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date:
Tue, 8 Apr 2014 09:28:00 -0700<br>
From: <a href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net" target="_blank">joncarter60@comcast.net</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hey
guys - we got an excellent suggestion from the group
for last month's article so I thought I would ask
again! Anyone have a burning maneuver or judging
question? Just let me know.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jon
Carter<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Judging
Committee Chairman<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#575757">Sent
via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE
smartphone<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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