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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Then there is MS and PhD (piled higher and deeper)…..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bradley Hand ITC";color:#1F497D'>Jay Marshall<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronald Van Putte<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>BS = Bachelor of Science or maybe Brilliant Student or maybe Bright Star. Hmmm, I wonder what BS could be?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 22, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Tom Stennis wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You are the top level for age but no one comes close to you for BS you will hold the record forever<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Aug 21, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, sonny, I do. However, Don Lowe and Ron Chidgey still dabble in pattern, so I can't claim to BE the oldest pattern pilot around these days.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 21, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>You **think** ???<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com" title="vanputter@gmail.com">Ronald Van Putte</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:41 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I think I'm about the oldest pattern pilot around these days, so I feel well qualified to comment. I can't fly as well as I used to, partly because I can't see as well as I used to, despite four eye surgeries to try to correct the problems. That being said, I will continue to fly in the Master class for two reasons. First, I have seen many Advanced class pilots perform and most of them would beat me too. Second, I occasionally do beat a fellow Master class pilot or two and it brings me great satisfaction. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Aug 21, 2013, at 8:28 AM, mike mueller wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> I know a lot of guys who have been coming to just about every contest for years who have never broken into the top half of their classes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Some don't seem to care about standings and like flying in their classes. That's OK as long as they participate and have fun doing it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I honestly didn't know the rules were in place to accommodate our fliers. So while it's a nice debate it's somewhat moot.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Now that I know this rule I will be telling guys about it because I feel many do not know.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Thanks all for the insightful input. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Mike Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Customer Services <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>F3Aunlimited<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Ron Hansen <<a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com">rcpilot@wowway.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:41 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv4538334643><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I suspect the main reason for this discussion is to allow our aging pilots to move down.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>How many CDs out there and/or competitors would object to a masters pilot as an example moving down to advanced because he can't see well enough to continue flying masters.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I for one would not. I would rather they continue to compete rather than hang it up.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Perhaps those pilots that move down could disqualify themselves from District championship contention and/or trophy consideration for local contest (i.e., they would be flying for fun).</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ron</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bob Kane; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I suspect that may have been the case. I think the rule is support for the peer pressure that</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>generally works well. I hope the new wording of "should move" doesn't erode the system. If the class</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>system goes away....do we then call it a pattern fly in? <VBG></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ron Lockhart</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>"Bob Kane" <<a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com" target="_blank">getterflash@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:44:05 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>This rule has been in place longer than I have been flying pattern. There must have been some compelling reason to implement it as the only thing that never changes is resistance to change. There must have been some glaring examples of sandbagging going on. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Bob Kane<br><a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com" target="_blank">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Dave Burton <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net" target="_blank">burtona@atmc.net</a>><br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion' <</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>