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You will note that there is no specific consideration in the rule
for the competitor that says " I made a mistake moving up, I was not
ready although I thought I was and I would like to move back a
class". The examples given would lead one to believe that this
"various reason" would not be accepted. And this example is the key
missing element that loses us competitors.<br>
You will also note that "various reasons" could mean anything. I
thought the AMA tried to stay away from ambiguous rules like this. <br>
Quite frankly the AMA has abrogated their responsibility to maintain
the class distinctions under their rules. If they want to keep lists
of competitors and their classes, advancement points and disqualify
results for being in a lower class without waiver, that would be
fine. Right now the AMA maintain no lists of competitor classes,
points towards advancement or participation levels and should have
rules that reflect that lack of interest, leaving the SIG to
self-police. <br>
John<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/20/2013 12:43 PM, John Fuqua
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is the rule:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">8.1.2:
Exception: </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Consideration
will be given to requests for reclassification to a lower
class for various reasons, such as disability or breaks from
participation of several years. For a contestant to be
reclassified to a lower class, the contestant must petition
via email (or letter if email is not available) to the
contestant's AMA District Contest Board (CB) representative
explaining the reasons for the reclassification. The CB
representative will forward a recommendation for
approval/disapproval to the AMA District Vice President
(DVP). The AMA DVP will concur/non-concur and forward the
decision to the petitioner and AMA District CB
representative with an info copy to the AMA Technical
Director.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Note that
the petitioner goes to his CB rep who actually makes the
recommendation. My DVP has always agreed with my
recommendation and I see no reason why other DVPs would act
differently. All this is done via email so it should not
take more than a week or two at most. I always info the AMA
Tech Director as well just to keep him in the loop. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>John Gayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> mike mueller; General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mike,<br>
Thanks again for the loan of a very nice airplane for the Fat
Lake Pattern Meet. Glad Russ was able to buy it, it will be a
very good airplane for him. <br>
The contest was very well run by Bob Wilson and John Hoelscher
and other members of the Peoria R/C Modelers. I had a great
time flying, meeting new folks and hanging out at the field in
Russell Shavitz' new RV parked in the middle of all that corn.<br>
<br>
As Scott McHarg has pointed out in this thread and we
discussed during the contest, the rule change we proposed last
year addressed the problem of being able to move down a class
at the end of the year. Others have pointed out that there is
a mechanism for doing this now. It involves petitioning the
AMA for a change in class. There are two problems with this
system. One is that there are some who quit rather than go
through the process. Those flyers are lost to us for long
periods of time and may never return. I know about that, I was
one of them for a decade.<br>
The second issue is that the AMA VPs seldom(ever?) reject
these petitions. They do not know the flyer and his abilities,
may(or may not) do a bit of research, and then approve the
petition. If they are always approved, what is the function of
this process? Why should we waste the time of the DVP? Leave
it up to the competitor to recognize that a move back one
class would be good for him. Peer pressure will take care of
abusers - as it does now, not the AMA.<br>
John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/19/2013 12:16 PM, mike mueller
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">At the
Peoria contest this weekend we had the pleasure of
having John Gayer from New Mexico attend and fly with
us.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> We got into a discussion about ideas
to grow the sport.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> One I brought up and it's nothing
new is a one time only Amnesty period.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> It would allow any flier who has
been a consistent low placer in their class the ability
to drop down at the end of a season.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> It seems clear to me that this
really needs to happen and the residual benefit from
such a program could very well help to get some guys
back into the sport.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> What would it take to get such a
program instituted? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> What are the barriers that would
stop this from being put into the rules?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Is there a potential downside to
this that would make it worse than what we have now?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Mike Mueller<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">F3aunlimited<o:p></o:p></p>
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