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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>…</span> <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If anyone needs to "try" out a class to see if they are ready, then they need to do it at the practice field, not a contest...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Amen!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Lewis<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 19, 2013 8:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I moved back to advanced at the beginning of the season per the method outlined in the rule book. Easy as could be. All done via email since the requirement for some obscure AMA form was removed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The procedure was certainly no penalty...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If anyone needs to "try" out a class to see if they are ready, then they need to do it at the practice field, not a contest...<br><br>Richard<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my mobile device.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Scott McHarg <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>This is correct but only addresses not moving up by inserting "should" in place of "shall" or "will". It does not address moving down should it be warranted or wanted and certainly does not address trying out a new class without penalty I.e. no way to move back down.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 19, 2013 6:37 PM, "Richard Lewis" <<a href="mailto:humptybump@sbcglobal.net">humptybump@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I guess everyone has forgotten that the advancement rules were relegated to a mere suggestion in the last rules cycle and as such, pattern no longer has an advancement system.. Lol...<br><br>Richard<br>Sent from my mobile device.<br><br>On Aug 19, 2013, at 6:12 PM, "Dave Lockhart" <<a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> "While I agree that in most instances peer pressure alone is sufficient to<br>> convince a sandbagger (or potential sandbagger) to move up, having a rule on<br>> the books makes the situation 100% impartial and impersonal, and to some<br>> extent provides the "teeth" for the peer pressure."<br>><br>> Dave L<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Dave Burton<br>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 7:07 PM<br>> To: 'General pattern discussion'<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea<br>><br>> I'll turn the question around on you Dave, without providing any answers<br>> however.<br>> What purpose is served by the current points/advancement system?<br>> Dave B<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Dave Lockhart<br>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:26 PM<br>> To: 'General pattern discussion'<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea<br>><br>> I have to ask the question....what harm is the advancement system causing?<br>> If someone actually reads the rulebook in detail to the extent they realize<br>> they may "point out" and be required (by the rules) to move up, would they<br>> not also realize the mechanism available to stay in their current class? Is<br>> sending an email to AMA too cumbersome for those intent on precisely<br>> following the rules? Has anyone actually ever achieved enough points to be<br>> forced into the next class without having the requisite skills AND been<br>> challenged by peers to move up (not that I know of)? Has anyone ever been<br>> denied a request to move down in class (not that I know of)? Has anyone<br>> ever achieved advancement points (knowingly or unknowingly) and not moved up<br>> because they were either not dominating the class or did not have the<br>> comfort level for the next class (I know several instances of this)?<br>><br>> While I agree that in most instances peer pressure alone is sufficient to<br>> convince a sandbagger (or potential sandbagger) to move up, having a rule on<br>> the books makes the situation 100% impartial and impersonal, and to some<br>> extent provides the "teeth" for the peer pressure.<br>><br>> I think there is merit in the idea of being able to "try out" a higher<br>> class. Allow 1 instance per year without penalty or permanent commitment to<br>> the higher class.<br>><br>> Regards,<br>><br>> Dave<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark<br>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:25 PM<br>> To: General pattern discussion<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea<br>><br>> Strongly agree.<br>><br>> Sent from my average intelligence phone<br>><br>><br>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 9:07 PM, "Ryan Smith"<br>> <<a href="mailto:smaragdz@comcast.net">smaragdz@comcast.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:smaragdz@comcast.net">smaragdz@comcast.net</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> Agreed. Peer pressure at contests I think is enough to take care of someone<br>> that is sandbagging.<br>><br>> From:<br>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a><br>> <a href="http://ts.nsrca.org" target="_blank">ts.nsrca.org</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>> Dave Burton<br>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 1:46 PM<br>> To: 'mike mueller'; 'General pattern discussion'<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea<br>><br>> I thought you can do this already. IMO we should eliminate the whole<br>> points/advancement system and let all flyers fly the class they feel most<br>> comfortable with.<br>> Dave<br>><br>> From:<br>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a><br>> <a href="http://ts.nsrca.org" target="_blank">ts.nsrca.org</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>> mike mueller<br>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 1:16 PM<br>> To:<br>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea<br>><br>> At the Peoria contest this weekend we had the pleasure of having John Gayer<br>> from New Mexico attend and fly with us.<br>> We got into a discussion about ideas to grow the sport.<br>> One I brought up and it's nothing new is a one time only Amnesty period.<br>> It would allow any flier who has been a consistent low placer in their<br>> class the ability to drop down at the end of a season.<br>> It seems clear to me that this really needs to happen and the residual<br>> benefit from such a program could very well help to get some guys back into<br>> the sport.<br>> What would it take to get such a program instituted?<br>> What are the barriers that would stop this from being put into the rules?<br>> Is there a potential downside to this that would make it worse than what we<br>> have now?<br>><br>> Mike Mueller<br>> Customer Services<br>><br>> F3aunlimited<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>><br>><br>> -----<br>> No virus found in this message.<br>> Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a><br>> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3211/6587 - Release Date: 08/18/13<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>