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<DIV>Nap time. . . . definitely need to schedule nap time . . . And first place
trophies for all. </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cahochhalter@yahoo.com
href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">Chuck Hochhalter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:08 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>I like ice cream.<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Aug 20, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Richard Lewis <<A
href="mailto:humptybump@sbcglobal.net">humptybump@sbcglobal.net</A>>
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<DIV>Trophies and ice cream for everyone on Sundays.. WooHoo!!</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Aug 20, 2013, at 3:01 PM, "Dave Burton" <<A
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">I’ve
also submitted rules proposal to eliminate the whole points/advancement
process. Got nowhere! I won’t do it again!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">I’ve
decided I’ll fly whichever class I think is appropriate for me regardless of
the rules. If a CD wants to disqualify me, please let me know ahead of time
so I can save travel cost.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">This
a set of rules that serve no purpose and probably actually drives down
participation. Why some want to keep it is beyond me.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard Lewis<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 20, 2013
1:03 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I wrote an official rules proposal last cycle to allow
declaration of class at the beginning of each season...
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Competitors typically fly in 3 to 4 contests per season..
Plenty of time to test one's self in another class and then choose the
appropriate class for the next season...No forced advancement, no one stuck
in an inappropriate class...<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>It was whole-heartedly rejected in favor of the
suggestion method that ultimately passed...<BR><BR>Richard<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Sent from my mobile device.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><BR>On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:00
PM, John Gayer <<A
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Mike,<BR>Thanks again for the loan of a very nice
airplane for the Fat Lake Pattern Meet. Glad Russ was able to buy it, it
will be a very good airplane for him. <BR>The contest was very well run by
Bob Wilson and John Hoelscher and other members of the Peoria R/C
Modelers. I had a great time flying, meeting new folks and hanging out at
the field in Russell Shavitz' new RV parked in the middle of all that
corn.<BR><BR>As Scott McHarg has pointed out in this thread and we
discussed during the contest, the rule change we proposed last year
addressed the problem of being able to move down a class at the end of the
year. Others have pointed out that there is a mechanism for doing this
now. It involves petitioning the AMA for a change in class. There are two
problems with this system. One is that there are some who quit rather than
go through the process. Those flyers are lost to us for long periods of
time and may never return. I know about that, I was one of them for a
decade.<BR>The second issue is that the AMA VPs seldom(ever?) reject these
petitions. They do not know the flyer and his abilities, may(or may not)
do a bit of research, and then approve the petition. If they are always
approved, what is the function of this process? Why should we waste the
time of the DVP? Leave it up to the competitor to recognize that a move
back one class would be good for him. Peer pressure will take care
of abusers - as it does now, not the AMA.<BR>John<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 8/19/2013 12:16 PM, mike mueller
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">At the Peoria contest this weekend we had the
pleasure of having John Gayer from New Mexico attend and fly with
us.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">We got into a discussion
about ideas to grow the sport.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">One I brought up and it's
nothing new is a one time only Amnesty
period.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">It would allow any flier
who has been a consistent low placer in their class the ability to drop
down at the end of a season.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">It seems clear to me that
this really needs to happen and the residual benefit from such a program
could very well help to get some guys back into the
sport.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">What would it take to get
such a program instituted? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">What are the barriers that
would stop this from being put into the
rules?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Is there a potential
downside to this that would make it worse than what we have
now?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">Mike Mueller<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">F3aunlimited<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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