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color:#1F497D'>biased amateurs,,,,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith
Hoard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 19, 2013 5:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] World F3A contest<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>So basically the Team, AMA, sponsors, and various other
contributors just spent $50,000 to get scored by a bunch of amateurs. <br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Aug 19, 2013, at 17:07, "George Kennie" <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal>I think that many of these international judges have been
uptown most of the day and are familiar with the atmosphere that they are
operating in and it's potential to reward or penalize them for significant
discrepancies in their scoring awards.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Possible mental bias exercises: " Let's see now, here
comes CPLR, (He's GOOD ! ), this is TBL scoring, I know that all the other
judges will grade him highly and if I don't want to stick out like a sore
thumb I'd better do likewise"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Think that's too harsh? I don't think so. I know that
everybody thinks that I'm a nut case, but I don't care. I scored these guys in
Twenty Eleven and I saw 5 pilots who outpointed CPLR and I also witnessed the
surprise on his face when they proclaimed him the winner. Am I biased? I don't
think so. CPLR is a great guy to talk to. He and I had great
conversations regarding force arrangements and I found him to be a wonderful
down to earth all around terrific person, but this isn't a personality contest.
Your mission is to outpoint your opponents and according to my numbers he
didn't do that. Of course you can say that I know absolutely zero about
judging, but that's an opinion that would take some amount of verification. I
say that my scores were not TBL modified and possibly reflected more accurate
raw numbers <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I was convinced that the whole international panel could
have been classified as individuals who had met poor certification standards,
but could it be possible that TBL influenced the outcome in some way? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Nah!, I think I'm sticking to my original conclusion.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>G.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Stuart Chale <<a
href="mailto:schale1@verizon.net" target="_blank">schale1@verizon.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Each Worlds the scoring always always causes me "to
raise an eyebrow" I can't say surprises me because we have seen it
before. For most flyers the scores seem lower than we would expect. Lower
than they would receive at the Nats never mind local contests. Did Joseph
really deserve 6's on a half loop turnaround. Did he have 60 degrees of
error or fly a half hexagon? Are the Judges that much better than the
rest of us that they are seeing the errors that we don't? Or are they
upping the bar with an unwritten rule ( 1 point / 5 degrees etc) . Any
10's given out?<br>
I know the top fliers are difficult to differentiate until the finals and
unknowns and usually it works out that the best flyer wins, I just like to see
the same criteria used at all contests.<br>
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Or maybe I am not as good a judge as I think :)<br>
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Stuart C.<o:p></o:p></p>
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