<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I like the feedback to the judges . . . </span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Bob Kane<br>getterflash@yahoo.com</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Scott Smith <vze23c3q@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 19, 2013 6:11 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] World F3A contest<br> </font> </div> <div
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--></style><div><div class="yiv4548760271WordSection1"><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">TBL, as applied in F3A, is done at the flight level, not the maneuver level. TBL will nullify the entire flight for the judge who is statistically higher or lower than the panel. So a pilot’s average flight score for a round may be based on 3 or 4 judges rather than 5.</span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The problem with the missed zero is still a problem, but it shouldn’t be attributed to TBL. When using “drop high/low” as done in the US F3A Nat’s the correct judge may very well be thrown out. Check
out the FAI full scale solution here: </span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.exploit-design.com/AeroSoftware/FairPlay%20System%20explained%20v2a.pdf">http://www.exploit-design.com/AeroSoftware/FairPlay%20System%20explained%20v2a.pdf</a></span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Scott</span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Doug Cronkhite<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Cc:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] World F3A contest</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"> </div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal">The real problem with TBL is it assumes a very low score to be incorrect. A perfect example
of thesis the last TOC. In the last unknown there was a maneuver with a 1 1/4 negative snap on a downline. Chip was flying and snapped the wrong direction, but being Chip, he snapped 1 3/4 turns, coming out on heading in the correct attitude, fooling all but 1 of the 10 judges, who correctly gave him a zero. That zero was nullified by TBL.</div></div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal">Bonus points if you know who the judge was...<br><br>-Doug</div></div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br>On Aug 18, 2013, at 4:50 PM, "Ryan Smith" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:smaragdz@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:smaragdz@comcast.net">smaragdz@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">TBL are intials, standing for Tarasov, Bauer, Long; the people that came up with it. Below is an explanation scalped from a post/email that Derek Koopowitz wrote a while back.</span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The Tarasov-Bauer-Long (TBL) Scoring method has been around since the 1970's.</span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It has been used in the full size arena since 1978 and has been used at every full size IAC World Championship since 1980. The TBL method applies proven statistical probability theory to the judge's scores to resolve style differences and bias, and to avoid the inclusion
of potential faulty judgements in contest results.</span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"> </div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff and
Claire<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] World F3A contest</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';">What does TBL stand for?</span></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';"> </span></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Lowe<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 18, 2013 3:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] World F3A contest</span></div></div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"> </div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">After all pilots fly in front of each set of judges on day 4 of prelims, I think. That would be part of the normalization process. At least that is how I remember it from previous WC's.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span
class="yiv4548760271apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">Jon</span></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">-----Original Message-----<br>From: John Fuqua <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com">johnfuqua@embarqmail.com</a>><br>To: 'General pattern discussion' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 4:40 pm<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] World F3A contest</span></div><div id="yiv4548760271AOLMsgPart_2_a2a2496b-ce38-4c11-adc2-eeb06634c7ba"><div><div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">When do they do the TBL?</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;"> </span></div></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor;"><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Lowe<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 18, 2013 3:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] World F3A contest</span></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;"> </span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">A click on the Team USA logo on the NSRCA home page takes you to the Team USA website. That has a link to Cindy Wickhizer's page:</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;"> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div
class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://2013worldsteamusa.shutterfly.com/">https://2013worldsteamusa.shutterfly.com/</a>, </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;"> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">which has been where Mark is sending info. He and I both previously announced that on this list.</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span class="yiv4548760271apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">Jon</span></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div class="yiv4548760271MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Gordon Seeling <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:gseeling@q.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:gseeling@q.com">gseeling@q.com</a>><br>To: nsrca-discussion <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Sun, Aug 18, 2013 2:35 pm<br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] World F3A contest</span></div></div><div id="yiv4548760271AOLMsgPart_0_b1ff61d3-f217-4b9a-9feb-d7bc8e7cd8f1"><pre style="background:white;"><tt><span style="color:black;">is there a computer man in the NSRCA ??if there is ,please post the </span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white;"><tt><span style="color:black;">results on the nsrca web site, so rank & file will know what is going on.</span></tt></pre><pre style="background:white;"><tt><span
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