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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Being an
old guy myself I’d like to fly closer in for better visibility without blowing
the box. Attached is a drawing showing the box size at 200 M deep and 60
degrees.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I also
included a front depth using a 150-degree box that was proposed some years back
as a reference. Unlike an angle box boundary a rectangular box end would be
hard to judge, subjective at best. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim Hiller<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>James Oddino<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, August 17, 2013
2:00 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Very quiet on here</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Well I
started this hoping I would learn something that would make me fly better, but
I can see it opening a "can of worms" as they say. Yes, it
could be a step towards automated judging but we're not going to like it for
judging the box. In fact I predict it would show that many are flying
well out past 200 Meters most of the time in order to stay within the <u>+</u>
60 degree box lines. It is probably a good time to start a conversation
as they say in politics, about revising the rules, and as an old guy I'd like
to see the 200 meter, or there about, max stay and the 60 degree lines go.
Instead of the 60 degree lines, I'd prefer a distance, say whatever it is
at the 200 meter/ 60 degree intersection on each side of center and make it a
rectangular box. We'd still need a "place it where it can be
judged" rule. What do you all think?</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I will be
happy to write it up for the KFactor after I get a little more time on it.
This was the first day out with it in a pattern airplane.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It is hard to
believe it is over 40 years since I was in my garage building radios. It
was about the same time Steve Jobs was in his garage. I think I picked
the wrong hobby. Anyway, the folks nowadays have it made as far as
equipment goes but it was still fun at the time.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Jim O</span></font><font
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Aug 17,
2013, at 6:17 AM, Jon Lowe wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ok, Jim, how about an article
for the KFactor on this, and how you set it up!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Also, just read an
interesting article on your S&O radio system, here:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://www.rchalloffame.org/Exhibits/Exhibit22/index.html">http://www.rchalloffame.org/Exhibits/Exhibit22/index.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>That site has a lot of
fascinating history on it about how proportional came on the scene. I
witnessed the early days, and saw a lot of the "I ain't got it"
dancing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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auto;margin-left:1.0in'><span class=apple-style-span><font size=4 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Jon</span></font></span><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: James Oddino <<a href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>><br>
To: General pattern discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 4:01 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Very quiet on here<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div style='-ms-word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'>Check
this out at the following link. It might lead to an interesting
discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><a
href="http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1965012#post25863336"
target="_blank">http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1965012#post25863336</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:27
AM, Jon Lowe wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Very
quiet. Got an email from someone saying he wasn't getting copied, but
looking at the archives, the last message posted was from Aug 12th, so I
thought I'd test.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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