<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>That's what I'm thinking... 2000 words at least.<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Keith Hoard <<a href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com">klhoard@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>I think if y'all keep complaining, Derek will change the test to free response Essay.<br><br><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Keith Hoard</span></div><div>Collierville, TN</div></div><div><br>On Jul 11, 2013, at 23:56, "Jeff and Claire" <<a href="mailto:jeffclaire@cableone.net">jeffclaire@cableone.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">That's what I did- downloaded the book. Those fill in the blank questions were word for word right out of the book. First year in pattern, so it took me two hours but I learned a lot in the process and passed it on the first try. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Jeff <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Lowe<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> w d<br><b>Cc:</b> NSRCA<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging cert test<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Guys, this isn't this hard. It's open book! If you download the rulebook, and just read it to find the answer, it's easy. I can't figure it what y'alls problem is. Heck, the rule book gives you the spelling too!<br>Jon<br><br>w d <<a href="mailto:whodaddy10@gmail.com">whodaddy10@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><br>to whom ever<br><br>some of the answers on the cert test are lacking in thought and are just down right bull $&^+... exact words, spelling,, Im not an english major i speak engrish i shouldnt have to spell it <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Gary<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Ken Velez <<a href="mailto:kvelez@rochester.rr.com" target="_blank">kvelez@rochester.rr.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I was doing a 5hr test flight into Little Rock AR on one of my customers acft and while enroute I took my iPad and took the test at FL430. I failed the test with a 74% do to my choice of words in some of the blanks. Rule book not available at the time I took the test. Now I have to re do it. Maybe if at the end of the test it would give you the chance to verify or correct the questions that were not answered correctly instead of having to take the whole test again, won't be as annoying. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Just my thought.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ken<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#333333">Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>"Atwood, Mark" <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>I just took the AMA test (and passed thankfully!). How long before the site list is updated to reflect that?<br><br>Regarding the test itself, I was able to pass with 85% from memory. The questions missed though were extremely annoying, in that it was a matter of trying to guess the correct sequence of words. I think the single word fill in the blanks were ok. It's the 5 word sequences that include trivial words like "to" that seem to need revising.<br><br><br>Mark Atwood<br>Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President<br>5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124<br>Direct: <a href="tel:440.229.2502" target="_blank">440.229.2502</a> | Fax: <a href="tel:440.684.3102" target="_blank">440.684.3102</a><br><a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com</a><<a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/" target="_blank">http://www.paragon-inc.com/</a>><br><br><br>[<a href="cid:image001.png@01CE481F.E6A56C70">cid:image001.png@01CE481F.E6A56C70</a>]<br><br>On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Astropattern <<a href="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com" target="_blank">astropattern@yahoo.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com" target="_blank">astropattern@yahoo.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br>I agree with Derek that it's tough to set a stand alone test that everyone agrees with and that isn't so tough that it discourages participation.<br>As time goes by, and the general level of judging gets better (or the downgrades become increasingly common knowledge and well-understood), there will be a need to raise the bar on the certification process and someone will need to put in some hard work to push us to the next level.<br><br>John<br><br><br>Sent from my iPad<br><br>On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Charlie Rock <<a href="mailto:charlierock@me.com" target="_blank">charlierock@me.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:charlierock@me.com" target="_blank">charlierock@me.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br>I totally agree with John on this one!!i for one glad no class at AMA Hq to qualify for judging, but format leaves a lot to be desired!!<br><br>Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it!!!<br>Mark Twain<br><br><br>On Jul 11, 2013, at 5:59 PM, John Ford <<a href="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com" target="_blank">astropattern@yahoo.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com" target="_blank">astropattern@yahoo.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br>I did them both…the system worked OK…but still disappointed with the format…you can know what you are talking about but still fail the test if you don't use the exact words. The test probably forces people to read the book that would otherwise never do first off, but as a re-certification test, it is more a memory puzzle than anything else.<br><br>Better than sitting in a hot room for an hour in a sweaty t-shirt at the end of a day, though.<br><br>John<br><br><br>On Jul 11, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Michael S. Harrison <<a href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">drmikedds@sbcglobal.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">drmikedds@sbcglobal.net</a>>> wrote:<br><br>I just finished the AMA recertification test. It was a huge Pain in the A.<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>] On Behalf Of Michael S. Harrison<br>Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:41 AM<br>To: 'General pattern discussion'<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br><br>I am having no luck. Am I certified? Can someone look for me?<br>thanks<br>Mike<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>] On Behalf Of Jon Lowe<br>Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:06 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br><br>Because AMA and FAI are on different rules cycles, a year apart. Happened several cycles ago. AMA Masters and Advanced sequences and rules changed for this year. FAI changed in 2012.<br>Jon<br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Chuck Hochhalter <<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>>><br>To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 10:59 am<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>Thanks Jon, but how does that happen?<br><br>C<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a>>> wrote:<br>Chuck,<br>I was partially incorrect. You show as current for FAI, but not AMA.<br><br>For all,<br>As Derek said, you MUST sign in to the site to see the judges list. You do NOT have to be an NSRCA member to get a login. On the pull down, you can sort by various means (last name, district, etc).<br><br>Keith,<br>It's only a flesh wound...<br>Jon<br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Chuck Hochhalter <<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>>><br>To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 10:31 am<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>Time for some Monty python quotes.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On Jul 10, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Keith Hoard" <<a href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com" target="_blank">klhoard@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com" target="_blank">klhoard@hotmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>Uh, huh . . . feeling oppressed yet?<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com" target="_blank">mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com" target="_blank">mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com</a>><br>Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:37 AM<br>To: General pattern discussion<mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br><br>Ok I don't see where that is Jon. I see a drop down on the top that leads to the wrong list like John but nothing on the right. Am I on the right site?????<br>Also I thought it had to be everyother year like Chuck and I certified before the Nats last year. It's every year now?<br>Thanks, Mike<br><br>Mike Mueller<br>F3Aunlimited<br><br>From: Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a>>><br>To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:24 AM<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br><br>On the right hand side of the screen there is a pull down menu where you select the Certified Judges list. Not real obvious, I will admit.<br>Jon<br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: John Fuqua <<a href="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com" target="_blank">johnfuqua@embarqmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com" target="_blank">johnfuqua@embarqmail.com</a>>><br>To: 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 9:19 am<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>Scott/Derek<br>If you go to the website and click on judging/certification/certified judges list you get this list “This list will produce a list of all registered members of the website that have verified their email addresses. This is not a list of NSRCA members.”’<br><br>What you do not get is a list of certified judges. For that you must go to Lists/membership lists. ????????????<br><br>John<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>?] On Behalf Of Archie Stafford<br>Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:58 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br><br>There are still quite a few people attending the NATS who have not taken the judging certification test. You are REQUIRED to be certified to judge at the NATS. If you are not certified, that means you miss a judging session and will lose your highest round.<br><br>Please take the time, if you have not done so to go to the NSRCA site and complete the judging test...<br><br>Arch<br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><a 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