<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I suggest inundating ur DVP and the president with personal emails with ur desire as far as how the test should be in the future.. After all aren't the members the ones that drive the direction of the NSRCA .through a our elected officials.. Jus sayen </div><div><br></div><div>Gary<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 12, 2013, at 11:39 AM, "Michael S. Harrison" <<a href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net">drmikedds@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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color:#1F497D">I disagree, I believe multiple choice should be an option...the
point is to educate and inform. Thanks to all of you for your dedication and
work, but obviously, I am not the only one that feels like it is burdensome and
troublesome. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott
McHarg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>I think the one thing y'all need to remember is that this is an automated
test. Multiple choice is not an option for whatever reason. Each
time, Derek goes through and adds synonyms to each proper answer for every
blank. He spends hours and hours trying to make this better. If it
wasn't for him and the effort that is put forth, all of us would be sitting in
a classroom to get certified. Its not perfect and is still a work in
progress but considering its free for members and doesn't require you to sit in
the classroom, I'd say its worth the minor hassles. We continually try to
make things better for our whole community.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 11, 2013 10:12 PM, "Ken Velez" <<a href="mailto:kvelez@rochester.rr.com">kvelez@rochester.rr.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was doing a 5hr test flight into Little Rock AR on one of
my customers acft and while enroute I took my iPad and took the test at FL430.
I failed the test with a 74% do to my choice of words in some of the blanks.
Rule book not available at the time I took the test. Now I have to re do it.
Maybe if at the end of the test it would give you the chance to verify or
correct the questions that were not answered correctly instead of having to
take the whole test again, won't be as annoying. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just my thought.<o:p></o:p></p>
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"Atwood, Mark" <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
I just took the AMA test (and passed thankfully!). How long before the
site list is updated to reflect that?<br>
<br>
Regarding the test itself, I was able to pass with 85% from memory. The
questions missed though were extremely annoying, in that it was a matter of
trying to guess the correct sequence of words. I think the
single word fill in the blanks were ok. It's the 5 word sequences that
include trivial words like "to" that seem to need revising.<br>
<br>
<br>
Mark Atwood<br>
Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President<br>
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124<br>
Direct: <a href="tel:440.229.2502" target="_blank">440.229.2502</a> |
Fax: <a href="tel:440.684.3102" target="_blank">440.684.3102</a><br>
<a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com</a><<a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/" target="_blank">http://www.paragon-inc.com/</a>><br>
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On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Astropattern <<a href="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com" target="_blank">astropattern@yahoo.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com" target="_blank">astropattern@yahoo.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
I agree with Derek that it's tough to set a stand alone test that everyone
agrees with and that isn't so tough that it discourages participation.<br>
As time goes by, and the general level of judging gets better (or the
downgrades become increasingly common knowledge and well-understood), there
will be a need to raise the bar on the certification process and someone will
need to put in some hard work to push us to the next level.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<br>
On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Charlie Rock <<a href="mailto:charlierock@me.com" target="_blank">charlierock@me.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:charlierock@me.com" target="_blank">charlierock@me.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
I totally agree with John on this one!!i for one glad no class at AMA Hq to
qualify for judging, but format leaves a lot to be desired!!<br>
<br>
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it
deserves it!!!<br>
Mark Twain<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jul 11, 2013, at 5:59 PM, John Ford <<a href="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com" target="_blank">astropattern@yahoo.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com" target="_blank">astropattern@yahoo.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
I did them both…the system worked OK…but still disappointed with the format…you
can know what you are talking about but still fail the test if you don't use
the exact words. The test probably forces people to read the book that would
otherwise never do first off, but as a re-certification test, it is more a memory
puzzle than anything else.<br>
<br>
Better than sitting in a hot room for an hour in a sweaty t-shirt at the end of
a day, though.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jul 11, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Michael S. Harrison <<a href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">drmikedds@sbcglobal.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">drmikedds@sbcglobal.net</a>>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
I just finished the AMA recertification test. It was a huge Pain in the
A.<br>
<br>
From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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On Behalf Of Michael S. Harrison<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:41 AM<br>
To: 'General pattern discussion'<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>
<br>
I am having no luck. Am I certified? Can someone look for me?<br>
thanks<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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On Behalf Of Jon Lowe<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:06 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>
<br>
Because AMA and FAI are on different rules cycles, a year apart. Happened
several cycles ago. AMA Masters and Advanced sequences and rules changed
for this year. FAI changed in 2012.<br>
Jon<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Chuck Hochhalter <<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>>><br>
To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>
Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 10:59 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>
Thanks Jon, but how does that happen?<br>
<br>
C<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
Chuck,<br>
I was partially incorrect. You show as current for FAI, but not AMA.<br>
<br>
For all,<br>
As Derek said, you MUST sign in to the site to see the judges list. You
do NOT have to be an NSRCA member to get a login. On the pull down, you
can sort by various means (last name, district, etc).<br>
<br>
Keith,<br>
It's only a flesh wound...<br>
Jon<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Chuck Hochhalter <<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>>><br>
To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>
Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 10:31 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>
Time for some Monty python quotes.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
On Jul 10, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Keith Hoard" <<a href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com" target="_blank">klhoard@hotmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com" target="_blank">klhoard@hotmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
Uh, huh . . . feeling oppressed yet?<br>
<br>
From: <a href="mailto:mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com" target="_blank">mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com" target="_blank">mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com</a>><br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:37 AM<br>
To: General pattern discussion<mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>
<br>
Ok I don't see where that is Jon. I see a drop down on the top that leads to
the wrong list like John but nothing on the right. Am I on the right site?????<br>
Also I thought it had to be everyother year like Chuck and I certified before
the Nats last year. It's every year now?<br>
Thanks, Mike<br>
<br>
Mike Mueller<br>
F3Aunlimited<br>
<br>
From: Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a>>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:24 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>
<br>
On the right hand side of the screen there is a pull down menu where you select
the Certified Judges list. Not real obvious, I will admit.<br>
Jon<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: John Fuqua <<a href="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com" target="_blank">johnfuqua@embarqmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com" target="_blank">johnfuqua@embarqmail.com</a>>><br>
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Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 9:19 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>
Scott/Derek<br>
If you go to the website and click on judging/certification/certified judges
list you get this list “This list will produce a list of all registered members
of the website that have verified their email addresses. This is not a
list of NSRCA members.”’<br>
<br>
What you do not get is a list of certified judges. For that you must go
to Lists/membership lists. ????????????<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>?] On Behalf Of
Archie Stafford<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:58 AM<br>
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>
<br>
There are still quite a few people attending the NATS who have not taken the
judging certification test. You are REQUIRED to be certified to judge at
the NATS. If you are not certified, that means you miss a judging session
and will lose your highest round.<br>
<br>
Please take the time, if you have not done so to go to the NSRCA site and
complete the judging test...<br>
<br>
Arch<br>
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