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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John, ……let me know if a DVD or some other format would be best for getting this video on the web site. Films has agreed to transfer from the masters to whatever medium you need. I’ll cover the costs which should be nominal. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ll ship the masters to them on Monday and it will take them a few days to process the request and then ship it back or to whoever you suggest should get the copy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay S. Gerber<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging and JUDGING VIDEO<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Joe, not sure which or any of the masters are needed? There is also the possibility that I can have whatever it is made for the group by tapping into some old friends down at NFL Films.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Lachowski<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> NSRCA Discussion List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging and JUDGING VIDEO<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jay, I will be at the Lehigh Valley RC contest this weekend.<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: <a href="mailto:jaysgerber@earthlink.net">jaysgerber@earthlink.net</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 23:36:25 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging and JUDGING VIDEO<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John, et al…..If it would be helpful, I have all the Master tapes of the judging video……formats are 1” mixed masters, Digital Betacam (pro format), VHS and DVD. Mark is right, it’s dated (produced in 1992) but “on point” and perhaps useful for someone just getting into pattern as well as those that are going to do some judging.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Let me know if any of this would be useful and I can either ship them to someone or for security purposes, Joe is not too far away and I can get them to him before he leaves for the NATS..(I assume he’s going)….:>)</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alternatively, let me know what Scott may need to get it into a digital format.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com">jonlowe@aol.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> Joe Lachowski; NSRCA Discussion List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I plan too. Just need time. Need to recode in a smaller digital format.<br><br>Jon<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="ecxhtc_header"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Joe Lachowski" <<a href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">jlachow@hotmail.com</a>><br>Date: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 8:00 pm<br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br>To: "NSRCA Discussion List" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Maybe its time to put the video in a downloadable format on the NSRCA website that can be downloaded to ones PC so one can watch it at ones leisure.<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: <a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 16:55:08 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre>I do think we need to make an effort to get our schedules on the same cycle. This has added tremendous confusion to the process, and basically requires people to pay annually to get their judging certified. What's more, it can cause grief for the Nat's CD since people can be certified to judge AMA and not FAI or vice versa in which case they're limited in how they can staff the judging. Our nats registration doesn't say anything about having to be certified in both AMA and FAI classes.<br> <br>I also think there's some merit in differentiating between original certification and re-certification. My son (16) certified on line the first time and really felt like he didn't know what he was doing. He knew the rules by taking the test, but with no video, no discussion, no ability to ask questions of a group, it was minimally helpful. This year we attended one of the judging certification classes where he saw the original video (outdated, but still very on point and very valuable if you're seeing it for the first time) and sat through some good discussion with other new pattern pilots and really came away with a much better understanding of how we judge. I on the other, took away very little, but was able to provide quite a bit to the new people in the group.<br> <br>Recertification is a different matter… emphasizing changes to the rules, and highlighting changes to the sequences. If anything, the current test almost hides those changes amid all the other rules we've followed for years. I realize I'm advocating for more work, but I think getting away from the cert classes for beginners is a mistake.<br>Mark Atwood<br>Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President<br>5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124<br>Direct: 440.229.2502 | Fax: 440.684.3102<br>www.paragon-inc.com<<a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/" target="_blank">http://www.paragon-inc.com/</a>><br> <br> <br>[<a href="http://cid:image001.png@01CE481F.E6A56C70" target="_blank">cid:image001.png@01CE481F.E6A56C70</a>]<br> <br>On Jul 10, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Jon Carter <<a href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net%3cmailto:joncarter60@comcast.net">joncarter60@comcast.net<mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net</a>>> wrote:<br> <br>The new FAI rule book will be published on 1/1/14. That rule book will be good for two years. (2014 & 2015) The current rule book expires on 12/31/13, just like our FAI certifications!<br> <br>Thanks<br> <br>Jon Carter<br> <br>Joe Lachowski <<a href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com%3cmailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">jlachow@hotmail.com<mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>Which means we are all certifiable<g><br> <br>Nuts that is.<br> <br>Which brings up another question. The FAI rule book is good through 2015? Does that mean we do not need to recertify until the new book comes out for 2016?<br> <br>If that is the case, certifications should be good through the end of 2015 not 2013?<br> <br>________________________________<br>From: <a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com%3cmailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com<mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:35:32 -0500<br>To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br> <br>So basically now we need to recertify annually?<br> <br>Sent from my iPhone<br> <br>On Jul 10, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com%3cmailto:jonlowe@aol.com">jonlowe@aol.com<mailto:jonlowe@aol.com</a>>> wrote:<br> <br>Because AMA and FAI are on different rules cycles, a year apart. Happened several cycles ago. AMA Masters and Advanced sequences and rules changed for this year. FAI changed in 2012.<br>Jon<br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Chuck Hochhalter <<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com%3cmailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com<mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>>><br>To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 10:59 am<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br> <br>Thanks Jon, but how does that happen?<br> <br>C<br> <br>Sent from my iPhone<br> <br>On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:56 AM, Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com%3cmailto:jonlowe@aol.com">jonlowe@aol.com<mailto:jonlowe@aol.com</a>>> wrote:<br> <br>Chuck,<br>I was partially incorrect. You show as current for FAI, but not AMA.<br> <br>For all,<br>As Derek said, you MUST sign in to the site to see the judges list. You do NOT have to be an NSRCA member to get a login. On the pull down, you can sort by various means (last name, district, etc).<br> <br>Keith,<br>It's only a flesh wound...<br>Jon<br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Chuck Hochhalter <<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com%3cmailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com<mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>>><br>To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 10:31 am<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br> <br>Time for some Monty python quotes.<br> <br>Sent from my iPhone<br> <br>On Jul 10, 2013, at 9:38 AM, "Keith Hoard" <<a href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com%3cmailto:klhoard@hotmail.com">klhoard@hotmail.com<mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br> <br>Uh, huh . . . feeling oppressed yet?<br> <br>From: <a href="mailto:mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com%3cmailto:mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com">mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com<mailto:mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com</a>><br>Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:37 AM<br>To: General pattern discussion<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br> <br>Ok I don't see where that is Jon. I see a drop down on the top that leads to the wrong list like John but nothing on the right. Am I on the right site?????<br>Also I thought it had to be everyother year like Chuck and I certified before the Nats last year. It's every year now?<br>Thanks, Mike<br> <br>Mike Mueller<br>F3Aunlimited<<a href="http://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/mo/www.f3aunlimited.com" target="_blank">http://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/mo/www.f3aunlimited.com</a>><br> <br>From: Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com%3cmailto:jonlowe@aol.com">jonlowe@aol.com<mailto:jonlowe@aol.com</a>>><br>To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:24 AM<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br> <br>On the right hand side of the screen there is a pull down menu where you select the Certified Judges list. Not real obvious, I will admit.<br>Jon<br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: John Fuqua <<a href="mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com%3cmailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com">johnfuqua@embarqmail.com<mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com</a>>><br>To: 'General pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 9:19 am<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br> <br>Scott/Derek<br>If you go to the website and click on judging/certification/certified judges list you get this list “This list will produce a list of all registered members of the website that have verified their email addresses. This is not a list of NSRCA members.”’<br> <br>What you do not get is a list of certified judges. For that you must go to Lists/membership lists. ????????????<br> <br>John<br> <br>From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?</a>] On Behalf Of Archie Stafford<br>Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:58 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NATS Judging<br> <br>There are still quite a few people attending the NATS who have not taken the judging certification test. You are REQUIRED to be certified to judge at the NATS. If you are not certified, that means you miss a judging session and will lose your highest round.<br> <br>Please take the time, if you have not done so to go to the NSRCA site and complete the judging test...<br> <br>Arch<br> <br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> <br> <br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> <br>________________________________<br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> <br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> <br> <br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> <br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> <br> <br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> <br>_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> <br> <br>________________________________<br> <br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br> <br>--<br>Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. 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