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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ken is right of course but I gave up on those meters years ago and still have a couple hanging in the shop…….except for the new laser technology, I love “Ivans Magic Gadget”…..most of you aren’t old enough to know what that is…..:>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ronlock@comcast.net<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 19, 2013 7:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 89, Issue 15<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Totally agree with Robart meter comments, mine also behaves as Ken describes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ron Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=zwchr></span></div><p><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>"Ken Velez" <<a href="mailto:kvelez@rochester.rr.com">kvelez@rochester.rr.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, April 19, 2013 4:34:43 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 89, Issue 15<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The only thing that jumps at me is with the Robart Incidence meter. It is my experience that if you reverse the meter 180 deg to check the other wing the reading is not accurate. In other words, while checking incidence with the model on the bench check the wing closest to you with the meter face facing you, towards the wing tip. Then install on the opposite wing with the meter facing the fuselage. Same thing with the stabs. The readings can vary + or – 1 deg if you rotate the meter.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ken</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony Romano<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 19, 2013 4:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 89, Issue 15</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Another stab in the dark. (no pun intended)<br> <br>Is there a weight difference between engines?<br> <br>Have you checked both that both wings are set to the same incidence? Small differences can cause a serious roll.<br> <br>I don't remember my cg but was probably around +1/2 degree positive in the wing and it was a solid plane.<br> <br>Anthony<br> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:18:57 -0500<br>From: <a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 89, Issue 15</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Questions: </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>1. Is it the same once up in the air regardless of throttle setting? In other words, does it do the same thing at idle as it does with power?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2. Have you checked your programmable mixing to make sure there isn't anything on that shouldn't be on? If it is on, could there be a wrong channel selected?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If it flew well before (and this is verified), you need to look at what has changed. Radio, motor, etc.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Scott</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM, <a href="mailto:Kc2pk@aol.com" target="_blank">Kc2pk@aol.com</a> <<a href="mailto:kc2pk@aol.com" target="_blank">kc2pk@aol.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The plane takes off climbing and rolling left. I can barely be held with stick control, but the deflection requ irked is too much for just trim. I have checked the wing and stab incidences which are close to zero-zero with a Robert incidence meter. Balance is close to the wing tube after 2.5 oz lead attached to the rear of the balsa firewall. The previous owners said that it flew well with a yS 1.60dz, and I am using a 1.40 L. The small difference just can't be the cause. I could understand the pitch problem with a bad CG, but not the rolling. I have ordered a new incidence meter from central hobbies on the theory that mine Is off, but I really doubt this to to be the problem. Meanwhile I have been flying a Venus2 with an OS 1.20 Ax as well as a curare with a TT .61. I mention this because that are two very different planes and the Hitec aurora 9 transmitter is working flawlessly. The servos are hitec digital 5625's and I see no problem with them on the ground. I wouldn't bo<br> thering everyone with this if it were not, really frustrating. I am really asking if anyone has had a similar problem with this specific airframe. It may be a stab in the dark. Fred<br><br>Sent from my iPad<br><br>On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:00 PM, <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-request@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-request@lists.nsrca.org</a> wrote:<br><br>> Send NSRCA-discussion mailing list submissions to<br>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>><br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-request@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-request@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>><br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-owner@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-owner@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>><br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of NSRCA-discussion digest..."<br>><br>><br>> Today's Topics:<br>><br>> 1. Genesis (Fred Jacobs)<br>> 2. Re: Genesis (Randy Forbus)<br>> 3. Re: Genesis (Randy Forbus)<br>> 4. Re: Genesis (ehaury)<br>> 5. Re: Genesis (Vicente Planes)<br>> 6. D4 Judging Seminar Update (Ron Hansen)<br>> 7. D4 Contest Calendar (Peter G. Van Heusden)<br>><br>><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400<br>> From: Fred Jacobs <<a href="mailto:kc2pk@icloud.com" target="_blank">kc2pk@icloud.com</a>><br>> To: "<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>"<br>> <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:FA4C8E31-4786-4B0A-A326-93D8ECF406BD@icloud.com" target="_blank">FA4C8E31-4786-4B0A-A326-93D8ECF406BD@icloud.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br>><br>><br>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any help would be appreciated. Fred<br>> Sent from my iPad<br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:54:48 +0000<br>> From: Randy Forbus <<a href="mailto:rforbus@hotmail.com" target="_blank">rforbus@hotmail.com</a>><br>> To: "<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>"<br>> <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:COL125-W1896FB62EC2ECB8128F53EA2CF0@phx.gbl" target="_blank">COL125-W1896FB62EC2ECB8128F53EA2CF0@phx.gbl</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>><br>> what do you mean by unflyable, most modern 2 meter pattern plane balance just at the front edge of the wing tube, or the middle of the wing tube, what does it do to make it unflyable<br>><br>>> From: <a href="mailto:kc2pk@icloud.com" target="_blank">kc2pk@icloud.com</a><br>>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400<br>>> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>>><br>>><br>>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any help would be appreciated. Fred<br>>> Sent from my iPad<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <<a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20130418/544761f0/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20130418/544761f0/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:57:40 +0000<br>> From: Randy Forbus <<a href="mailto:rforbus@hotmail.com" target="_blank">rforbus@hotmail.com</a>><br>> To: "<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>"<br>> <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:COL125-W18D95C57FE5138A83E8726A2CF0@phx.gbl" target="_blank">COL125-W18D95C57FE5138A83E8726A2CF0@phx.gbl</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>><br>> Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5 positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.<br>><br>>> From: <a href="mailto:kc2pk@icloud.com" target="_blank">kc2pk@icloud.com</a><br>>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400<br>>> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>>><br>>><br>>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any help would be appreciated. Fred<br>>> Sent from my iPad<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <<a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20130418/8afb4d98/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20130418/8afb4d98/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 4<br>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:08:58 -0500<br>> From: ehaury <<a href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net" target="_blank">ejhaury@comcast.net</a>><br>> To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:AA02D9AE-28D1-4E0A-8752-C3B011C270F3@comcast.net" target="_blank">AA02D9AE-28D1-4E0A-8752-C3B011C270F3@comcast.net</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>><br>> Sure you don't have + expo w a Futaba TX?<br>><br>> Sent from my iPhone<br>><br>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Randy Forbus <<a href="mailto:rforbus@hotmail.com" target="_blank">rforbus@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5 positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.<br>>><br>>>> From: <a href="mailto:kc2pk@icloud.com" target="_blank">kc2pk@icloud.com</a><br>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400<br>>>> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any help would be appreciated. Fred<br>>>> Sent from my iPad<br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <<a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20130418/9c9272cd/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20130418/9c9272cd/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 5<br>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:29:58 -0500<br>> From: Vicente Planes <<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net" target="_blank">vicenterc@comcast.net</a>><br>> To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Cc: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:C4F17E25-3ACC-47E0-BD05-559E969C2B49@comcast.net" target="_blank">C4F17E25-3ACC-47E0-BD05-559E969C2B49@comcast.net</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>><br>> Combined with really bad servos.<br>><br>> Sent from my iPhone<br>><br>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 6:08 PM, ehaury <<a href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net" target="_blank">ejhaury@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Sure you don't have + expo w a Futaba TX?<br>>><br>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>>><br>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Randy Forbus <<a href="mailto:rforbus@hotmail.com" target="_blank">rforbus@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5 positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.<br>>>><br>>>>> From: <a href="mailto:kc2pk@icloud.com" target="_blank">kc2pk@icloud.com</a><br>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400<br>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any help would be appreciated. Fred<br>>>>> Sent from my iPad<br>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <<a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20130418/ee20b5e4/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20130418/ee20b5e4/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 6<br>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:08:55 -0400<br>> From: "Ron Hansen" <<a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com" target="_blank">rcpilot@wowway.com</a>><br>> To: "NSCRA Discussion List" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4 Judging Seminar Update<br>> Message-ID: <000901ce3ca2$d8746bc0$895d4340$@<a href="http://wowway.com/" target="_blank">wowway.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>><br>> I posted directions to the D4 Judging Seminar on RCUniverse.<br>><br>><br>><br>> The classroom stuff will be at the Grove City Church of the Nazarene.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Contact me if you have any questions.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Thanks<br>><br>><br>><br>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature<br>> database 8243 (20130418) __________<br>><br>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.eset.com/" target="_blank">http://www.eset.com</a><br>><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <<a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20130418/8e1b226a/attachment.html" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20130418/8e1b226a/attachment.html</a>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 7<br>> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:33:03 -0400<br>> From: "Peter G. Van Heusden" <<a href="mailto:petervh@malibutech.com" target="_blank">petervh@malibutech.com</a>><br>> To: "<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>"<br>> <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Cc: "Peter G. Van Heusden" <<a href="mailto:petervh@malibutech.com" target="_blank">petervh@malibutech.com</a>><br>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4 Contest Calendar<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <<a href="mailto:CC83E936118F134EA73F2A277E181CC72A39E0DD51@selfridge.malibutech.com" target="_blank">CC83E936118F134EA73F2A277E181CC72A39E0DD51@selfridge.malibutech.com</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>><br>><br>> Tom Brett Memorial Pattern Contest<br>> September 7-8, 2013<br>><br>> Last chance before district championship to get points.<br>><br>> Hope to see everybody here.<br>> Flyer attached.<br>><br>> Let's get flying<br>><br>> Peter G. 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