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<DIV>Or just charge the lower class guys more and tell them “Its for your own
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jlachow@hotmail.com
href="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">Joe Lachowski</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:29 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM Meeting
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hmmm!. Sounds like another justification for going totally webbased
for the Kfactor. Surely, the mailing saved could cover all or part of the
cost?<BR> <BR>
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<DIV id=SkyDrivePlaceholder></DIV>> From: atwoodm@paragon-inc.com<BR>> To:
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:02:49
-0400<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM Meeting
Representation<BR>> <BR>> Correct, it's $50.<BR>> <BR>> But we're
making this more than it needs to be. We're talking about $1000/annually that's
needed to send a rep to the CIAM meetings. With our membership that's less than
a $1 a person. This should almost be part of our charter. I realize that AMA
pattern has a life outside of FAI, but AMA Pattern was born from FAI (not the
other way around) and will truly lose it's direction without it. Maybe not
immediately, but over time.<BR>> <BR>> Participation in the FAI program is
necessary to continue to get AMA funding to help support our USA team…something
that I do think the AMA should, and will continue to do provided that there is
adequate support. It's almost a separate issue.<BR>> <BR>> -M<BR>> Mark
Atwood<BR>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President<BR>> 5885 Landerbrook
Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124<BR>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 |
Direct: 440-229-2502<BR>> Fax: 440.684.3102<BR>>
mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com> |
www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/><BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Jon Lowe
<jonlowe@aol.com<mailto:jonlowe@aol.com>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>>
The current cost of the FAI stamp is $50. Just call Colleen Pierce at AMA and
she will sign you up!!<BR>> Jon<BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>
From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe@aol.com<mailto:jonlowe@aol.com>><BR>> To:
nsrca-discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>><BR>>
Sent: Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:18 am<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM
Meeting Representation<BR>> <BR>> John,<BR>> The last F3A team trial
cost $170 per flier which I beleive was over and above Nats entry. The number of
pilots that sign up for the trial is what AMA uses as part of the formula to see
what teams they will support for World Championships. They also use performance
at previous WC's in the formula. Mark Atwood has the details. I beleive Mark
told me that if Andrew had not made the podium at the last WC, that we would
have fallen below the threshold for AMA support for this year's WC.<BR>>
<BR>> I will check with AMA on the cost of the FAI stamp.<BR>> Jon<BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: John Fuqua
<johnfuqua@embarqmail.com<mailto:johnfuqua@embarqmail.com>><BR>>
To: 'General pattern discussion'
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>><BR>>
Sent: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 8:42 pm<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM
Meeting Representation<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> If it's a numbers thing what if
everybody just paid the for an FAI stamp. I<BR>> used to buy one long ago
when I flew in Team selection events. I do not<BR>> think it is very
expensive. Anybody know what it the currently costs?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org><BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?>]
On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:12 PM<BR>>
To: General pattern discussion<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM
Meeting Representation<BR>> <BR>> We can run off and vilify the AMA over
this, but I think some of the reality<BR>> is that there are soooooo many
niche's in the FAI program that trying to<BR>> determine how to completely
support them all is financially impractical in<BR>> this day and age. Yes,
we're one of the pillars, but our total<BR>> participation at the FAI level
is actually VERY low. I think a total of 10<BR>> people this past cycle. That
in itself is a problem, but regardless, it<BR>> become difficult for the AMA
to support sending a rep for every FAI program<BR>> that has 10 paying
participants. I just checked.. .we had 11 participants<BR>> in 2012 and 11 in
2010. Control line scale had about the same.<BR>> <BR>> We should strongly
consider trying to work this into the NSRCA budget in<BR>> some way. It's
important to us collectively, regardless of the total number<BR>> that
actually pay for an FAI stamp. They lead the program that we follow,<BR>> and
establish all the rules for our international competitions. It's<BR>>
important that we (the NSRCA) have a voice at the table.<BR>> <BR>> Just
my $0.02<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Mark Atwood<BR>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.
| President<BR>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
44124<BR>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502<BR>> Fax:
440.684.3102<BR>>
mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com><mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com?>>
|<BR>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/><BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Mar 12, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Derek
Koopowitz<BR>>
<derekkoopowitz@gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com><mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com?>>>
wrote:<BR>> <BR>> Airfare alone is about $1100 and then there is
food/accommodations for 3<BR>> nights, train fare from Zurich to Lausanne and
back... I would estimate at<BR>> least another $800 everything else.<BR>>
<BR>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Peter Vogel<BR>>
<vogel.peter@gmail.com<mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com><mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com<mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com?>>>
wrote:<BR>> How much would you need?<BR>> <BR>> And Ron, I think that's
exactly what it is. It's part of why I voted<BR>> against Bob Brown, he said
as much in his campaign statement...<BR>> <BR>> Peter+<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Derek Koopowitz<BR>>
<derekkoopowitz@gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com><mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com?>>>
wrote:<BR>> That is true, Bill. I was sent a letter by the AMA stating that
travel<BR>> expenses would not be paid for and that I could attend if I paid
for myself<BR>> or the NSRCA paid for me to attend.<BR>> <BR>> I can
only believe that this will only further isolate us (F3A) from the<BR>> rest
of the world. Yes, I'm still the rep to CIAM but face-to-face meetings<BR>>
accomplish so much more than through email. I had built up a great<BR>>
relationship with the movers/shakers in F3A and now I feel that it will
be<BR>> in jeopardy.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:49
PM, Bill's Email<BR>>
<silentav8r@cox.net<mailto:silentav8r@cox.net><mailto:silentav8r@cox.net<mailto:silentav8r@cox.net?>>>
wrote:<BR>> Thought you folks might be interested what is going on in the
soaring side<BR>> of the FAI world. A proposal to condense several events,
soaring being one<BR>> of them, has been submitted. The soaring community in
the US is taking<BR>> notice that AMA is not funding the individual area reps
to go to the<BR>> meeting, so the soaring folks have decided to try to fund
it themselves.<BR>> Here's the thread:<BR>> <BR>>
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24403409&postcount=1<BR>>
<BR>> This is the document that has gotten them to do this:<BR>> <BR>>
http://lomcovak.cz/wp_eng/f3b/2013/03/f3b-world-championship-in-future-cance<BR>>
led/<BR>> <BR>> F3A is mentioned, but only in that it should remain as is.
F3M is talked<BR>> about as a target for elimination. Again, this is a
proposal submitted for<BR>> consideration.<BR>> <BR>> Thought you might
find it interesting. I recall reading that our US F3A CIAM<BR>> rep was also
told by AMA that they would not fund his travel.<BR>> <BR>> Bill in
OC<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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