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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just my opinion –<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I believe there needs to be a distinction between US Team Trials and US NATs. Foreign competitors should not be competing in the US Team Trials.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I believe there is also a distinction between a country looking to break into the top 10, versus one that is top ten.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While I agree that competing with a top pilot is the best way to see their level and style, for the US (top ten), I don’t think it is a good thing to have a published result that includes a foreign pilot besting the US Team….it sets tone and precedence….and could put the US Team in a position of being an underdog, competing from behind. Granted, if judging at the WC was based solely on flight performance, this aspect would have little if any relevance. My suggested format for NATs/Trials does not preclude foreign competitors, only limits them (from flying unknowns) in Team Trial years. We (the US) are in the top ten, and in this day and age of internet and video, we know what top ten flying looks like, and quite honestly, I don’t think it is inappropriate to suggest we should have the goals of setting the bar/style. Recruiting a European or Asian judge to judge the NATs; great idea. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For a country outside the top ten, it makes all the sense in the world to import top ten talent (pilots or judges) for exactly the reasons you state….and many countries have done this, either by importing pilots/judges, or by travelling to the US NATs or EC. For countries outside the top 10, there is nothing to be lost, only gained, by mixing it up with top ten talent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dave L<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Gayer<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dave,<br>Why is it bad if a foreign competitor comes to our Nats and beats one or all of our team members? We are somewhat isolated over here and do not get to see many of the top world competitors. It would do the team good to find out where the bar is and how much improvement is required to excel at the worlds. I believe the team would consider being beaten at the trials as a challenge to improve and not a demoralizing influence.<br>The Australians used to pay airfare for top foreign competitors to come down under and compete in the Kraft Masters(International meet) for the sole purpose of finding out where the bar was and what top ten flying looked like. Rather than exclude foreign influences at the team trials, it would be a much better plan to invite(pay) a European judge or two to come over to judge the finals. That would give a good reference for the team to use in preparation. <br>John<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2/27/2013 5:47 PM, Dave Lockhart wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Resistance to the combining of the two was for many reasons…many of which are moot now that the NATs and Team Trials are combined.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ve said it a million times, and offered the suggestion just as many times. It absolutely would be bad for a foreign competitor to best a US Team Member at the US Team Trials. The answer is simple enough, IMHO. In Team Trial years, the NATs are over after the semifinals (4 rounds of P, 2 rounds of F), and the Team Trials will continue with 2F and 2 Unknown to pick the US Team Members.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dave</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronald Van Putte<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The irony here is that we tried to have a joint Nats/Team Selection much earlier and there was significant resistance to doing it. Comments were made that "Foreign competitors can compete in the Nats and might beat one or more of the USA F3A team members and that would be bad".<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the last separate team selection we had was at Triple Tree in SC just after the turn of the century. I know of nothing that prevents us from having a separate team trial, but that would involve yet another contest to organize, and more cost. Frankly, I personally prefer having the team trials at the Nats, because we get all of the top FAI fliers to attend at least once every two years. Given the proximity of this years Nats to the dates of this years WC, we will likely not see our team members at the Nats, and they will be missed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jon</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a>><br>To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 5:42 pm<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates</span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_0_adc71763-91e1-41ee-8cfb-8d59fa57c853"><pre style='background:white'><tt>I remember being CD of the F3A Team Selection contest back in 1991 at Duke Field </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>(part of Eglin AFB, FL). There were 54 F3A competitors. </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>It was the last time Rhett Miller competed in an F3A Team Selection. He used an </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>airplane borrowed from Ron Chidgey.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>Ron</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Dave Burton wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> I seem to remember back a lot of years ago the FAI Team Selection stamp fee</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> was $10.00 and lots of guys (myself included) paid it just to be part of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> helping. At $170.00 I wouldn't pay it. I could be wrong about the amount,</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> and the pool of FAI flyers is much smaller so perhaps there wouldn't be muh</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> money generater if it was significantly lower.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Dave </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> -----Original Message-----</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:26 PM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> To: General pattern discussion</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Hey Keith,</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> I appreciate the comment actually as I sort of feel the same way. I've made</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> sure that EVERYONE on the team is working actively in the fund raising</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> (Trading effort and labor for money) and at the end, all will very likely</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> still be paying for a portion of their trip. Talking with Jason and</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Andrew, each WC has cost them $3000-$5000 out of pocket to go, over and</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> above what was donated. We're working hard to reduce that number but it's</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> a reality.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> And your correct, no one should expect a free trip. We're just working to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> help these guys represent us in our chosen hobby as the best we have. </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Support is appreciated.not expected. </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Mark Atwood</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502 </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Fax: 440.684.3102</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a> | <a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/" target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Keith Hoard <<a href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com">klhoard@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> What makes you think that us lower class guys care to "support" the FAI</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> team? Some of you make it sound like we owe y'all a free trip.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Keith Hoard</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Collierville, TN</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 16:28, "Chuck Hochhalter" <<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> We could add 5 bucks to every local contest entry and donate that to FAI.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> Sent from my iPhone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Archie Stafford <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Mark,</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Another option is to adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> per and all of that goes to the team. Would be easy enough to do.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Arch</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> -------- Original message --------</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> From: "Atwood, Mark" <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Date:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> As a side to that.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> We need to have a serious discussion about the team selection and our</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> "Official" participation levels. FAI GUYS!!!! We NEED many more of you to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> sign up for the team selection event (be it part of the Nats or otherwise in</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> 2014) if we're going to continue to get the same level of funding that we</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> get now from the AMA. To do that, I think we need to drastically lower the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> price tag. The price tag ($170) is reminiscent of holding a separate event</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> and paying for the judges to come for 4 days and judge. That's no longer</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> an expense burden that the selection contest bears.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> The AMA has made "participation" a critical point factor in determining</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> the level of financial support that each team receives. We don't get a lot</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> of money, but they do pay for the World Championship entry fees ($900</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> /pilot, $500 /team manager, $150 /caller ) which is a lot, and they help</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> with some of the hotel bill. It's a fraction of what we need, but it's</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> still a big help. For this year's WC's it's about $7800 of the $60K we'll</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> need. But if we don't increase our participation, we'll lose it.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> This past Nats we had 30+ FAI flyers. but less than 10 participated in</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> the team trial..meaning they paid the entry fee. Admittedly, I was one who</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> did not. I finished 11th, but that's a far cry from top 3, so spending $170</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> "Just to participate" didn't seem like a good value proposition. But if we</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> can lower the cost to say $30, or something reasonable, then I would</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> participate simply to support the team (that's where the entry fee money</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> goes by the way.all of it) especially knowing that it will motivate the AMA</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> to continue their funding.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> I'll hammer this home more next year when it's more relevant, but thought</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> I'd chime in now :)</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled conversation.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Mark Atwood</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Fax: 440.684.3102</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> <a href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a><<a href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com?">mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a>> |</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com%3chttp:/www.paragon-inc.com/" target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com">jerry@buddengineering.com</a><<a href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com?">mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com</a>>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Or a LOT easier because it's gotten so small. It's occurred to some of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> us over the past several years that you could hold the US Team Trials at a</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> good local field and still have an as good, if not better, team selection</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> contest as we do now.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Incidentally, when I mentioned this to a couple of the AMA people at the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> show in Ontario last month it was made quite clear that the "powers that be"</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> in AMA have absolutely no interest in allowing the Team Selection contest to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> ever be held anywhere but at the AMA site in Muncie. Go Figure.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> -0</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Jerry</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent from my iPhone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Dave Burton"</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a><<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net?">mailto:burtona@atmc.net</a>>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Amen +2</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> As pattern participation continues to shrink the possibility of having</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> the resources to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> difficult.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Dave</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> From:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="http://ts.nsrca.org">ts.nsrca.org</a>> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> John Fuqua</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:54 AM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> From:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="http://ts.nsrca.org">ts.nsrca.org</a>> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:43 AM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: General pattern discussion</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> +1</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> ________________________________</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> From: "mike mueller" <<a href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</a><<a href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com?">mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: "Archie Stafford"</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>>, "General</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> pattern discussion"</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> OK I want to play devil's advocate.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> What is all this talk about an off site Nats about?</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Is it that we need to move it around to allow new people to participate?</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Or is it the changes to the schedule that basically takes away a half day of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> practice?</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> In my opinion it's not that big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site would</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> be a huge endeavor. Who has the resources, energy and financial where with</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> all to achieve this?</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> I doubt that we could pull it off. Unless a lot of effort was put forth</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> to make it happen.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> I think the AMA has supported us in a decent manner.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Also look at the current BOD of the AMA and you'll see that pattern is</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> well represented with more than our share. We also have Muncie employess who</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> are pattern fliers. We have friends in high places and I think we're doing</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> pretty well.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> I'm luck enough to go to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every year.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> I'm amazed at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go there.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike Mueller</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Archie Stafford</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> From: Archie Stafford</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> To:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> IMAC has been warned. They already lost one day from a few years ago.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Also, years ago I would've agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> park flyers and sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my club,</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> with 86 members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the younger kids would</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> rather fly foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and scale don't do anything</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> for them. The younger members are just different. 3D and helis are much more</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> exciting to them. Times have changed.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Arch</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> -------- Original message --------</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> From: Ron Hansen <<a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com">rcpilot@wowway.com</a><<a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com?">mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Date:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: <a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</a>,'General<<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net,">mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net,'General</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> pattern discussion'</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> What about IMAC they have less attendance at the NATS than us. With</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> their attendance I'm surprised the AMA will even give them a week. Not that</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> I'm suggesting they don't deserve a week. One of the issues I have with the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> NATS is that Intermediate and Advanced Pilots and those in MASTERS and FAI</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> that don't make the cut don't get any more flights than a regular weekend</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> contest. Perhaps more would attend if we offered every pilot 12 guaranteed</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> flights. That would make it more likely that the west coasters would make</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> the long trip to Muncie.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> No one gets hooked on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer. You get</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> hooked by watching someone go crazy with a heli or an IMAC plane or the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> graceful flying of a pattern plane or the speed/wow factor of a jet or the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> roar of a 4 engine B-17. These are all endeavors that are not associated</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> with the typical AMA member. If the AMA thinks they can survive without</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> these folks then let them try. What these groups need to do is stop</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> supporting the AMA with their articles, photos, etc. They'll have nothing</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> to draw the attention of new members. AMA membership will never be what it</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> used to be because kids now a day are so much busier than they used to be</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> and there are so many more thinks competing for their interest. We need to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> find a financially viable solution for both the NSRCA and the AMA not to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS there would be no AMA.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> From:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="http://ts.nsrca.org">ts.nsrca.org</a>> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</a><<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net?">mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: General pattern discussion</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Guys it is too early in the week to talk about good drinks. I got to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> work tomorrow.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> -----Original Message-----</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> From: Ronald Van Putte</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a><<a href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> @gmail.com>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sender:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> compose?to=<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: General pattern</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> discussion<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> mc/compose?to=<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Reply-To: General pattern discussion</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> ?to=<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> For those who weren't there, we had several buses take us from the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Tullahoma airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> "picnic". On the way back, there was a terrible thunderstorm. When I</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> mentioned the storm to some attendee the next day, they said, "What</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> thunderstorm?"</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> BTW, what did they call that stuff they served? Was it Lynchburg</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Lemonade? It tasted wonderful and went down so smooth!</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> Ron</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM, John Fuqua wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> At least that part you remember</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> -----Original Message-----</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> From:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> compose?to=<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%3Chttp://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> .com/mc/compose?to=<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>] On Behalf Of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Ronald Van</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> Putte</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> To: General pattern discussion</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> The bus ride back from the Jack Daniel's distillery was memorable!</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> Ron</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>>> Scott, I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I voice</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> that!) Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever. Obviously</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> enough</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> was wrong with the way the AMA ran the event to create a complete</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> boycott of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>> the nationals in lieu of the NPAC.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>>>> Peter, has the nats every</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> _______________________________________________</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> _______________________________________________</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> _______________________________________________</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> _______________________________________________</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> _______________________________________________</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>_______________________________________________</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>NSRCA-discussion mailing list</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>